[ppml] Policy Proposal: Expand timeframe of Additional Requests

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Aug 16 14:45:52 EDT 2007

 lol, yeah yur right..  I was confused..  my apologies to the list.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:stephen at sprunk.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:47 AM
> To: Kevin Kargel; ARIN PPML
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal: Expand timeframe of 
> Additional Requests
> Thus spake "Kevin Kargel" <kkargel at polartel.com>
> > Being a small ISP this affects me differently.  Having a 
> /18 of IPv4 
> > would incur a fee of about $450 , which wouldn't break the bank
> An /18 costs an ISP $4500/yr today; you're objecting to your 
> fees going down to $439.09/yr, a reduction of 90.2%?  That 
> doesn't make sense to me.
> > but does cause me concern when people want to raise my costs for 
> > nothing more than policy reasons.  I don't mind paying more 
> for added 
> > services, but I hate paying more to satisfy somebodies ego.
> Again, your fees would be going down, not up.  Also, it's not 
> just to satisfy someone's ego but because everyone is 
> consuming a limited resource that we're rapidly running out 
> of, and it makes sense that everyone pay the same amount for 
> consumption instead of letting certain ISPs pay as little as 
> 1/9000th of what smaller ISPs pay when they are consuming 80% 
> of that scarce resource.
> > If that $.0268 were applied to the IPv6 allocation as well I would 
> > surrender my IPv6 tomorrow.  That cost would put me out of business 
> > and close my doors.
> Obviously the same economics don't apply to v6.  A single /48 
> would cost
> $32,399,211,965,672,061,882,125.52 at that price, which I'm 
> pretty sure would put not just you but the entire industry 
> out of business :)
> I don't know if ARIN's current v6 fee schedule makes sense 
> either, but it's not a pressing concern at the moment since 
> (a) nobody is using v6, and (b) no ISP would be paying v6 
> fees today even if they were using it.
> S
> Stephen Sprunk      "Those people who think they know everything
> CCIE #3723         are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
> K5SSS                                             --Isaac Asimov

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