[ppml] alternative realities (was PIv6 for legacy, holders (/wRSA + efficient use))

David Conrad drc at virtualized.org
Thu Aug 2 16:43:30 EDT 2007

[My one post to PPML today, forgive me if this is deemed repetitive  
or "undemocratic"]


Of course, that's not really the question (since the answer is obvious).

If you posit the unlikely universe in which IPv6 isn't deployed when  
the IPv4 free pool runs dry, which option would be best for ISPs:

a) telling new customers to go away


b) obtaining address space via "non-traditional" means from one of  
the holders of the "legacy" O(100) /8s?

As a former large ISP employee, which do you think you'd be  
encouraged by your former bosses to choose?

I guess I'm skeptical that those holders of the "legacy" O(100) /8s  
will voluntarily return their unused address space to ARIN (or other  
appropriate RIR) out of "enlightened self-interest".  As such, those  
holders of the "legacy" O(100) /8s will need to be incented to  
renumber and/or part with "their" address space.  How do you think  
that can realistically be done?


On Aug 2, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Howard, W. Lee wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Cliff Bedore
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:37 PM
>> To: PPML
>> Subject: Re: [ppml] alternative realities (was PIv6 for
>> legacy, holders (/wRSA + efficient use))
>> With regards to MIT and or/other /8s that are "privately
>> held", is the internet better off getting those turned in and
>> split up which adds to the routing table or letting the
>> private holder become a default ISP/mini IANA/ARIN in effect
>> with a /8 aggregated address and keep the table smaller?
> I think the Internet is better of with ARIN allocating based on
> need than it would be with other organizations allocating based
> on cash.
> You asked the question--what do you think?
>> Cliff
> Lee
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