[ppml] Proposed Policy: Bulk WHOIS agreement expiration clarification

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Apr 6 14:45:09 EDT 2006

In general, I like this.  However, I would change the violation claus to

... or upon notice from ARIN to the other party that ARIN believes the
terms were violated...

With the current language, the determination of a violation is left
far too ambiguous for my tastes.


--On April 6, 2006 1:50:28 PM -0400 Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net>

> ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance with the ARIN
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>## * ##
> Policy Proposal Name: Bulk WHOIS agreement expiration clarification
> Author: Bill Woodcock
> Proposal Version: 1.0
> Proposal type: Modify
> Policy term: Permanent
> Policy statement:
> Text added to the end of "3.1. Bulk Copies of ARIN's WHOIS":
> If no term of validity or expiration date is included in the policy or
> AUP, it shall be deemed valid upon acceptance by ARIN and shall conclude
> after thirty days notice by ARIN, immediately upon cancellation by the
> other signatory, or immediately upon a violation of its terms. If an
> expiration date is included, ARIN shall provide thirty days notice prior
> to the expiration of an AUP agreement, in order that the data recipient
> shall have the opportunity to receive uninterrupted service.
> Rationale:
> Presently, there is no expiration date specified in either the AUP
> agreement nor in the policy. ARIN whois data recipients receive an FTP
> login to an ARIN server, which unexpectedly stops working one day,
> breaking lots of scripts, causing gaps in datasets, and causing people
> to waste a lot of time debugging, only to find that the login has been
> deactivated with no forewarning.  If ARIN staff are going to arbitrarily
> decide to "expire" an agreement which has no defined expiration, doing
> so unilaterally and without notice is an extraordinarily bad idea.
> Let me just say that I think it's really pitiful that we should need to
> use the policy process to micromanage operations at this level. But
> believe me, I wouldn't be wasting my time writing something this trivial
> if it weren't necessary to solve an actual problem.
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate.
> Meeting presenter: Bill Woodcock
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If it wasn't crypto-signed, it probably didn't come from me.
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