[ppml] Technical error was ( Regarding private residence... )

[Howard, W. Lee]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Technical error was ( Regarding private 
> residence... )
> 
> > Do you mean "network operator" in the NANOG sense, or in the
> > sense of someone who operates a network? 
> 
> The second sense which includes the former.
> 
> > Listings in whois [1]
> > are for /29 or greater, meaning multiple hosts, i.e., a network. 
> 
> Who operates this network? I would argue that Lee
> in Virginia is the network operator. If the California
> ISP puts Grandma's contact info in the whois directory
> then I believe they are doing the wrong thing. They 
> should be asking the question...

Good example, but seems to me that the answer could be to 
list Lee in VA or the ISP; either one is valid, and it's a
local decision.

> > People did, which is why there's a bulk whois policy.
> 
> That is an awfully weak response. ARIN has always made
> bulk whois data available. But ARIN has never accepted that
> statistical analysis is a justification for collecting whois
> data. And ARIN has never asked "What statistical information
> is useful to researchers and is it justified to collect such
> statistical info?". People hunting down spammers are not the
> only "researchers" out there. It is my understanding that 
> the bulk whois policy is just ensuring that people which had
> access to the existing data, continue to have access.

My understanding is different.  I recall several people offering
examples of research other than spam vigilantes.

> --Michael Dillon
> 
> P.S. the whole "private residence" issue is still based on
> a flawed assumption. Hiding the street address is not sufficient
> to provide privacy when a postal code is in the directory.

Agreed, and I remember you raising the point when the policy
was discussed, and I agreed then.  Is it enough to say "Postal
code optional for residences" or do we need to prohibit, 
politically or systematically, ZIP when street is like 
"residence."

Lee