[ppml] RE: [arin-announce] NRO Response to ITU Comments on th e Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses
hannigan at verisign.com
Thu Nov 18 12:54:34 EST 2004
One minor note, these stats are gathered from XIII attendance
available via the ARIN website. Sorry I missed that sentence.
Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663
VeriSign, Inc. (w) 703-948-7018
Network Engineer IV Operations & Infrastructure
hannigan at verisign.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hannigan, Martin
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:53 PM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] RE: [arin-announce] NRO Response to ITU
> Comments on
> the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses
> > -----Original Message from William Leibzon -----
> > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:16 PM
> > To: Randy Bush
> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [ppml] RE: [arin-announce] NRO Response to ITU
> > Comments on
> > the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > > I am aware that one does not have to be an ARIN member to
> > propose a policy
> > > > or participate, however, I question how many non-members
> > are (a) aware of
> > > > this; and (b) participate in the ARIN PPML and at meetings.
> > >
> > > you can count me as one
> > (c) And who were not previously involved in ARIN and had not
> > been on ARIN
> > BoT or ARIN AC?
> > I generally agree with Gregory Massel - its largerly the same
> > group of
> > people who are involved and by far greater majority are from
> > large ISPs
> Here's some quick stats. I won't say they are 100%
> accurate, I but for the purpose of discussion, it
> should be ok:
> TIER1: 14
> OTHER ISP: 35
> TOTAL 49
> OTHER: 28
> EDU: 11
> VENDORS: 09
> GOV: 05
> RIR: 07
> TOTAL 60
> There's more NON ISP participation than ISP.
> > who are the ones that I suspect have larger participation
> in elections
> > as opposed to smaller ISPs (who can vote but too many dont)
> > and as such
> > have greater control over who is on ARIN BoT and ARIN AC and
> > through that
> > are capable of moving through policies that are of more
> > interest to them
> > rather then policies that are of more interest to public at-large.
> The minority of the BoT is made up of ISP.
> The AC makeup is largely non tier 1 ISP and predominantly other ISP.
> AOL, Cisco, and MCI had the most people attending outside of
> ARIN staff. MCI, nor Cisco employed folks hold any elected
> position as far as I am aware.
> > Now that said I certainly don't think ITU can do any better
> - in fact
> > its even tightier group and in too many countries governments
> > are corrupt
> I disagree. I don't have any proof to offer except my experience
> working internationally via large ISP's. I'd rather deal with
> global committees than labor unions any day of the week.
> > or otherwise serve only small most powerfull group of
> > persons/companies.
> There's certainly nothing wrong with experienced people offering
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