[ppml] Bogons etc...

Ian Baker ibaker at codecutters.org
Wed Jan 21 08:03:43 EST 2004

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McBurnett, Jim" <jmcburnett at msmgmt.com>
To: "Ian Baker" <ibaker at codecutters.org>; <ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: [ppml] Bogons etc...

reward for ISP's
HMMM.. Ya know if ARIN did this, this then gives them to ability to
"recall" IP space..
If the major ISP's sign on, and a IP block is hijacked and then proven.
ARIN places that block in the BOGON filter the MAJOR ISP's stop routing it
and we solve hijacking, "leaked" blocks and do it from an administrative

The thought certainly crossed my mind, but the overall programme would still
need funding (hence the thought about fines). The situation would probably
be even worse for people like LACNIC & APNIC, who are that much smaller.

Remember - there's also a complete grievance and appeals procedure to fund
(a gigantic ISP might be unhappy at being taken offline from a single
mistake by a contractor; as might their customers!)

The principle's great, but.. lots of details that need to function
consistently, the world over.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:57 AM
To: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] Bogons etc...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Michael.Dillon at radianz.com>
To: <ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: [ppml] Bogons etc...

> There are various projects out there which try to address the issue of
> which IP address ranges should be visible on the Internet. The major
> one that many of you will know of is Team Cymru's Bogon Route
> Server project http://www.cymru.com/BGP/bogon-rs.html
> This project tries to track an announce IP address ranges which
> should not be visible on the Internet, i.e. bogons. There is another
> project found at http://69box.atlantic.net which deals with a related
> but somewhat opposite issue. This project deals with making sure
> that IP address ranges which should be visible on the Internet are
> indeed functioning.
> It seems to me that this kind of project is something that should
> be coming from ARIN or the RIRs jointly.

It's an interesting idea,  but very open-ended in terms of resource

What were you thinking of as incentives for ISPs etc. to stop the leakage?


Ian Baker
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