[ppml] Provider Independence???

marcelo bagnulo braun marcelo at it.uc3m.es
Thu Dec 9 11:05:15 EST 2004

[i don't know if this discussion is off topic for this list, so if it 
is, i would appreciate that a chair or someone similar let me know so i 
can shut up (i know Randy's opinion, and it would be probably wiser to 
follow his advice, but anyway...)]

El 09/12/2004, a las 16:15, Michael.Dillon at radianz.com escribió:

>> but what happens if a ISP don't want to accept the peering conditions
>> of the other ISPs in the region, what happens then?
> Then they don't use geo addresses.

i am really not following...

what do you mean?  do you mean that they are not allowed to get geo 
How would that work? in the geo address block application the 
requesting ISP will have to agree that he is willing to peer and accept 
the peering agreements with all the ISPs that are currently providing 
service in the region?

And who is the first operator that gets PI addresses? i mean this is 
important since all the other will only have two choices: or they do 
peering with this first operator or they don't get geo addresses, 
i don't think this is the way internet works, moreover, i don't think 
this the way we want the internet to work

regards, marcelo

>  Instead they use the
> existing non-geo v6 addresses. The idea of geo addressing
> is all about creating choices that can be use to solve
> the PI addressing problem for the majority of end
> networks. It is not necessary for every ISP to offer
> geo addressing services for this to work. It really
> comes down to business demand in each individual area.
> Maybe businesses in Sacramento will demand geo addressing
> services because PI is important to them, but businesses
> in San Francisco don't care about PI and don't use geo
> addressing.
> I'm just saying that it is the responsibility of
> the RIRs and the IETF to provide the possibility
> of geo addressing so that those end networks who
> want to buy PI-supporting connectivity can find
> ISPs who offer it.
> At this point in time, it seems that the IPv6
> Internet will be the one single network interconnecting
> everything on the planet, public and private,
> by the end of the 21st century. We cannot architect
> this in the same way as IPv4. We need to offer more
> flexibility.
> --Michael Dillon

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