[ppml] ARIN IP space in African countries...

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Sep 24 15:47:53 EDT 2003

There are three possible ways to deal with this:

1.	Amend 2002-3 to include membership if we feel this is important.

2.	Leave 2002-3 as is and allow smaller allocation users to separately
	join ARIN.  Fee-wise, that is still cheaper per year than joining
	as an ISP, so, that may be the best route for African ISPs.

3.	Amend 2002-3 to modify it to include membership for Allocations and
	not for Assignments, as is the current policy for End-User vs. ISP
	registrations of any size.

Personally, I think number 3 is the most consistent, number 2 is the easiest
and most advantageous for African ISPs, and, 1 is the better way to go.

However, I'd like to see membership conferred on _ALL_ ARIN resource
allocations, not just ISP allocations.


--On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:31 PM -0600 "Taylor, Stacy" 
<Stacy_Taylor at icgcomm.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have confirmed with Richard that 2002-3 does not include ARIN membership
> with the assignments.
> /S
> -----Original Message-----
> From: william at elan.net [mailto:william at elan.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 AM
> To: Mury
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] ARIN IP space in African countries...
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Mury wrote:
>> Is ARIN allocating IPs to African countries out of the same blocks?
>> For example, are the LIRs in Africa all getting IP space out of
>> 208.X.X.X, or is it scattered throughout all the space that ARIN is
>> currently making allocations out of?
> My whois data research showed that majority of south african ip
> allocations  are made out of 196/8 ip block (and these allocations
> account for about 50% of ip addresses assigned from that ip block -
> actually greater majority of  85% of that /7 has not been allocated at
> all). ARIN has confirmed in earlier post that despite that /8 being
> listed by IANA as legacy internic space, its still actively used for new
> african allocations in arin region, but I note however that some ip
> allocations to africa as recent as 2003 were  made out of 216/8 and 209/8
> and 196/8 was most actively used for allocations in 1999 and 2000 and
> part of 2001. Below message from ARIN President has a  promise to do new
> african allocations exclusively from 196/8 as before:
> http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/ppml/1965.html
> To my knowledge additional block of 197/8 is also kept in reserve by IANA
> for future use by Afrinic (i.e. it parallels how 200/8 was used by ARIN
> for assignments made to LACNIC organizations and 201/8 was reserved for
> For RIPE there does not appear to be such one single /8 used for african
> allocations, although 62/8 and 217/8 have larger number of north african
> allocations.
> --
> William Leibzon
> Elan Networks
> william at elan.net

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