[ppml] Policy Proposal 2003-15: IPv4 Allocation Policy for the Africa Portion of the ARIN Region
ibaker at codecutters.org
Tue Sep 23 18:12:04 EDT 2003
(I'm sending this by mobile client, so please forgive the formatting
I see (and mostly agree) with your technicaI argument.
There are very real infrastructure differences and implications between the
US & Africa.
>From analysis of WHOIS data, I see very real differences in allocations
between (e.g.) US & EU companies.
Am I attempting to justify some particular policy or override?
Just that - I believe - we all have a common goal in promoting Internet
availabilty and usage, worldwide.
Apologies for the non-technical content, I've just that I've seen this
techie vs. "other" stuff before.
I have no "agenda".
I've visited two N.African countries, but that's it. No axe to bear or
drum/chest to beat..
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Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2003-15: IPv4 Allocation Policy for the
Africa Portion of the ARIN Region
Author: Leo Bicknell <bicknell at ufp.org>
Date: 23rd September 2003 11:16:46 am
In a message written on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:36:12AM +0200, Darren
> It is obvious that Africa has no where near the resources of first
> countries and therefore should be judged on their own merits as it is
> done in other industries. Whereas a smaller ISP in America can obtain
> their own IP allocation, this is not possible in Africa. Only the
> rich companies, which are normally international companies, can
> the requirements, while the local companies cannot. This seems to be
> good proposal to try to level the playing fields.
I'm having a little bit of trouble with this line of argument. I'd
like to address a few of the points raised.
- The playing field is level.
Today the same policies apply to anyone asking for IP space. It
doesn't matter if your from Africa or Podunk Iowa, the process
is applied equally and fairly. This proposal will actually create
an unlevel playing field that favors African ISP's. For instance,
would it be possible under this proposal for a US company to set
up an African shell company, get IP space, and then use it in the
US? Making things like that possible would be very bad.
- African ISP's have taken steps to preserve space, which is part of
I think it's great that African ISP's have figured out how to use
NAT and other technologies to save space. While I don't want to
advocate "wasting" space my first question would be if you're
going to renumber into your own portable block anyway why not get
rid of the NAT, which will also improve your customers connectivity?
There are, after all, applications that do not work through NAT.
Would counting all those customers in a request justify enough
IP's to qualify under the current procedures?
At the end of the day I'm sure there are more than a few ISP's in the
and Canada that would love to have smaller allocations. Indeed,
see in the archives I've argued that we should make smaller
available to everyone. That said, this proposal leaves a bad taste in
my mouth because it tells the ISP in Africa that needs a /22 that
are "special enough" to get it, but the same sized ISP in some
country is not.
Put another way, I don't recall the lack of cheap bandwidth or
pervasive use of NAT to have ever been factors in setting the
size before, and that makes me wonder why we should start now.
If we're going to change the allocation size I believe strongly it
should be a global change, and not a local change that favors
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