[ppml] Allocation and reallocation

Mury mury at goldengate.net
Mon Oct 27 19:31:25 EST 2003

I can't remember who proposed what, so forgive me for not giving
appropriate credit, but besides the generic argument wanting to leave
things as is, what are the arguments against something like the following:

"LIR" IPs (Currently assignable and allocatable - forgive the grammar/sp)
"END" user IPs (Currently assignments)

>From there you could use notation such as:

LIR(L) Space that has been further allocated from an ISP to an ISP
LIR(R) Space from a RIR to an ISP
END(L) Space from a LIR to an end user
END(R) Space from a RIR to an end user

This would be consistant with the current RIR/LIR language being used.  It
would also be easy to identify the properties and responsibities that go
hand and hand with being a LIR, such as you must swip your space and you
may further divide your space.

My two cents is that the usage requirements of space to an end user from
either a LIR or a RIR should be the same.  But, if you wanted to
distinguish a difference you could do so with the (L) and (R) syntax.
This of course is helpful in determining if the space is "portable..."
meaing assignments having been made from a RIR.

If that is viewed as messy, two fields could be used.  One being the type
of space (LIR or END), and the other being what the "upstream" entity is
(LIR or RIR).


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote:

> This all comes back to the reason I started this thread.  The policy
> is not clear.  The policy needs to be made clear so we can't have
> these arguments as to what it means.  An ISP shouldn't have to guess
> what the requirements will be, or really even ask for clarification.
> They should be spelled out clearly.
> The problem is as soon as you try to clarify the policy two things
> happen.  People think you're trying to change the policy (in this
> case I don't want to change it, just make it clear) because today
> there are multiple ways to view it, and there should only be one.
> That represents change to the people who have the other (wrong?)
> opinion.  The other is that many other people jump in expressly to
> change the policy.
> If the people who care about policy and have joined this list can't
> agree on what it says how can we expect the average ARIN member or
> staffer to get it right?
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