[ppml] allocate/assignxy

Michael Whisenant michael at whisenant.net
Thu Oct 23 19:48:11 EDT 2003


I think that the discussion on Wednesday (day 1) was in regard to policy 
proposal dealing with Micro allocations/assignments where ISP or 
organization could obtain a smaller allocation than the current /20 
allocation/assignment. By finally including both allocations and 
assignments it removed the objections that several including myself had 
previously raised. Since I was one that had made some comments on the 
policy that could have lead one to gain this position, I felt I would 
reply. However, I make no assertions that this is the comment or concern 
that you were trying to address. Just since I had made comments on 
allocations/assignments regarding that specific policy I would respond so 
that if  no other party should it may clear you view.

At 06:16 PM 10/23/2003, Lee Howard wrote:
> >From RFC2050:
>
>This document makes a distinction between the allocation of IP
>    addresses and the assignment of IP addresses.  Addresses are
>    allocated to ISPs by regional registries to assign to its customer
>    base.
>[. . .]
>An assignment is the delegation of authority over a block of IP
>    addresses to an end enterprise.   The end enterprise will use
>    addresses from an assignment internally only; it will not sub-
>    delegate those addresses.
>
>I think "delegation" here is used in a common English sense, and
>could be defined from context.  This also clearly explains
>"assignment" and "allocation."
>
>
> >From ARIN's web page (http://www.arin.net/registration/index.html):
>
>A distinction is made between address allocation and address assignment, 
>i.e., ISPs are "allocated" address space, while end-users are "assigned" 
>address space. ISPs are allocated blocks of IP addresses for the purpose 
>of assigning or further allocating that space to their customers, while 
>end-users receive assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in their 
>operational networks.
>
>
>The concern in Wednesday's policy BOF, as I heard it, was not that
>the terms are poorly defined, but that even knowing the definitions
>it's easy to confuse which term applies to which definition, and maybe
>ther distinction isn't necessary after all.
>
>My memory is not perfect, so maybe the person who raised the concern
>could raise it again.
>
>Lee
>
>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 bmanning at karoshi.com wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:39:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: bmanning at karoshi.com
> > To: CJ Wittbrodt <cjw at groovy.com>
> > Cc: bmanning at karoshi.com, ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [ppml] allocate/assign
> >
> >
> >       that may be true in your world... :)
> >
> >       I am of the opinion that if I am granted a delegation
> >       that I need to apply the principles of stewardship, e.g.
> >       effective utilization of the space ... if that means that
> >       I have an operational model that allows me to sub-assign
> >       and sub-allocate space using the same rules for management
> >       of the delegation for users of my space as apply to me.
> >
> >       note that "my" here refers not to ownership of the space
> >       but ownership of the responsiblity for effective stewardship.
> >
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Allocations can be broken up into assignments and given to customers,
> > > but assignments can not be further delegated to other organizations,
> > > or customers.
> > >
> > > ----CJ
> > >
> > >     From: bmanning at karoshi.com
> > >     Subject: [ppml] allocate/assign
> > >
> > >     Ok...
> > >
> > >             grousing about terms leads me to put my personal thoughts to
> > >             phosphor (or LCD analog):
> > >
> > >     allocated:  Internet resources earmarked for specific use. period.
> > >     assigned:   an allocation is bound to a duely vetted party who agrees
> > >                 to manage the allocation according to the "principles of
> > >                 stewardship" (from the ARIN mission stmt)
> > >
> > >             such an assignment is considered delegated when such 
> allocations
> > >             and assignments are published - say via whois and DNS, 
> perhaps
> > >             in an rdb.
> > >
> > >             thoughts?
> > >     --bill
> > >
> >
> >

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