[ppml] Displaying Rwhois information as separate field in whois output (fwd)
william at elan.net
william at elan.net
Wed Mar 5 11:07:34 EST 2003
I had written draft on rwhois issues, though this would probably not
become a proposal (partially because only small part of it listed as #6
really needs to be a policy and my understanding is that somebody else is
already working on such a proposal, but if it is not brought it, I'll
send this as proposal or if you think it needs to be a proposal anyway,
please send me a note). The draft is located at
http://www.elan.net/~william/arin_proposal_rwhois_contact.htm
The above is just one of the options available for rwhois and other
options are available and will hopefully be discussed on DBWG, Please see
below on more particular details. If you want to discuss this issues,
please subscribe to dbwg mailing list.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:55:50 -0800 (PST)
From: william at elan.net
To: dbwg at arin.net
Subject: Displaying Rwhois information as separate field in whois output
As some of you know ARIN setup "rwhois design group" in January to
find ways to improve ISP-maintained reassigments which is currently
done through rwhois. About 10 persons participated in that and problems
and possible solutions were discussed. While no agreement on futher
actions was reached, it did provide some important feedback to ARIN on
what they could do and yesterday I was asked to write down futher on
idea I had and ARIN has reported that it would not be too difficult
to do (can be done in 60-90 days).
I do want to mention thogh that while there were disagreements
on several issues, there was also clear agreement on one particular
issue - this is to FIX RWHOIS ROOT SERVER. While its not the kind of issue
that can be put in the proposal, I'm hoping that since ARIN staff has
listened to what has been discussed, they understand that this is
something that everybody thinks must be done to improve rwhois.
Now my original idea was as follows:
> 4. Convert current comments into special reassigment contact and make it
> easy for automated software to determine where to get rwhois information
> as well as provide clear text indicating that reassigment info is coming
> out of database not maintained by ARIN
There are several ways to do it with various degree of complexity. One
would be to simply add a "reassignment" field into either NETWORK or
ORG and make modifications to ARIN whois server so it is displaying it
as separate note regarding reassignments. I believe if its done this way,
we may need to make an exception and allow "TECH" contact to be
responsible for maintaining this particular field (especially for ORG).
There is also somewhat of a problem as I see it that there is no way to
do special reassignment-only comments (but we could add additional
"reassignment comment" field as well) and these I think are important in
many cases for example to advertise about custom schema or to tell
non-technical viewers of whois how to find reassignment contact through
web interface (in reality > 50% of those accessing ARIN data have no idea
what rwhois is!).
Another way is to do it as actual contact, which may require a little more
time for ARIN to do and in the beginning (on actual conversion) may end up
with multiple reassignment contacts in place where should have been only one
(for networks that have many ip blocks with rwhois server reference) but
hopefully this would be fixed by the ISP itself and extra contacts removed.
For this option I actually create a proposal which is located at:
http://www.elan.net/~william/arin_proposal_rwhois_contact.htm
Except for part#6, this is mostly database-related and thus non-policy
issue and does not necessarily need to be in a proposal (and for #6
somebody else may already be working on a similar proposal).
So if you are an ISP that maintains rwhois, please think about what
you think would be best way to do it (as listed above) and post your
comments to this list or otherwise be ready to have it discussed on
Memphis meeting.
Below follows my actual proposal from url above in text format, it is more
complicated that what ARIN itself would like to do, but I personally
think this is better.
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Reassignment (Rwhois) Whois Contact Proposal
This proposal is trying to better address an issue with ISP-maintained
reassignment information (rwhois servers).
Currently information on rwhois is displayed as comments in the whois and
there are no standards on how these comments are entered which makes it
difficult to futher parse the information. In addition it is often
important to know who to contact regarding technical issues with
ISP-maintained rwhois server and such information is difficult to obtain.
There also no procedure that would allow for rwhois maintainer to modify
information on rwhois and it can only be done through ISP main
administrative contact which is sometimes an issue for large ISP with many
ip blocks.
So to address the above it is proposed that:
1. ARIN establish new "reassignment" contact. This contact should
include same fields as other ARIN whois contacts and should be the contact
of the person or technical group at the ISP that is responsible for
maintaining rwhois server is other similar reassignment server.
2. In addition to standard whois fields, new contact should include
additional special reassignment field which should provide URN to the
server that provides futher reassignment information. An example of this
would be: rwhois://rwhois.someisp.net:4321
3. Whois should display a note when reassignment contact is present
that makes it clear that reassignment information is maintained by the ISP
and can be found through its listed rwhois server or similar service.
4. ISP may also use optional comments fields to provide additional
information such as information on additional features of its reassignment
server or pointer to schema used. It is recommended that comments at least
include URL with link to website which can provide reassignment
information so that it can be used by those who do not have direct access
to rwhois or other appropriate reassignment client program.
5. ARIN should attempt to convert all current rwhois comments into new
reassignment contact. In this effort ARIN should contact all ISPs that
have listed rwhois or other reassignment server in comments and try to
obtain information on who is the correct contact responsible for
maintaining such server. If ARIN is unable to get the exact information
from the ISP, ARIN may substitute information from current technical or
administrative contact when creating new reassignment contact.
6. In the future when ARIN receives reports of reassignment server not
answering to queries, ARIN may do its own tests for at least a month with
at least 10 non-sequential queries and if there higher then 75% failure
rate, ARIN should attempt to contact person or group as listed in the
reassignment contact (first by email and then by phone) and if no response
is received, ARIN should attempt to contact technical contact listed for
the ip block to try to find resolution to the problem. If ARIN is unable
to make proper contact with ISP or find resolution to a problem, ARIN may
add a comment to reassignment contact indicating that listed reassignment
server is "lame" similar to the way this is done for lame DNS servers.
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