[ppml] Re: Deployment triggers, dates and definitions WAS: backbones

John M. Brown john at chagres.net
Thu Jan 9 17:21:08 EST 2003

see reply to John Sweeting's email.  seems like I said yes
to being part of a group to work on a policy document.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Alec H. Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: john at chagres.net; 'Mury'
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] Re: Deployment triggers, dates and 
> definitions WAS: backbones
> --On Thursday, January 9, 2003 15:02 -0700 "John M. Brown" 
> <john at chagres.net> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I think that YOU as an AC person should be
> > taking the role of:
> >
> > Hmm, MY members are finding this to be an issue and maybe
> > I should pay attention and try to figure out what the
> > problem sets are.
> >
> > Instead your tone, at least in this message is:
> >
> > Don't ask questions that aren't strictly focused to an allocation 
> > policy, or have other forums to handle them.
> Hrm.  Perhaps if I take this massive sledge hammer in my right hand I 
> really can manage to get this square peg in my left hand to 
> fit into this 
> round hole in front of me.
> Look John.  I'm all for making ARIN's policies as sensible 
> and helpful as 
> possible.  You seem to have a rather large stake in this 
> discussion as 
> well.  So I'll ask again, why don't you get the ball rolling in a 
> _productive_ direction by putting together a policy proposal 
> to address 
> your concerns, instead of just continuing to complain about 
> how broken the 
> existing policy is.
> If you look at ARIN's policy process, policy proposals are 
> supposed to be 
> introduced by the community and flow through the chain from 
> there.  It is 
> the job of the AC to help guide the policies through the 
> process.  One way 
> that we accomplish this is to try and keep discussions 
> related to policy 
> actually focused on the issue at hand, such that we don't get 
> sucked down 
> into a rathole.
> John, I've know you for quite a while now.  I really, truly 
> wish that you 
> would start trying to actually suggest helpful solutions to 
> the issues you 
> see, instead of just constantly talking about how broken 
> things are without 
> offering helpful suggestions.
> Alec
> --
> Alec H. Peterson -- ahp at hilander.com
> Chief Technology Officer
> Catbird Networks, http://www.catbird.com

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