[ppml] Draft 2 of proposal for ip assignment with sponsorship

william at elan.net william at elan.net
Thu Feb 27 07:44:13 EST 2003

If the company keeps billing many months after, what makes you think they 
would not just answer yes when asked by ARIN if they still sponsor 
particular assignment? 

I'm not really against audits, but I do not think they will seriously change 
how ISP operate and I think this should be more of something ARIN can 
do on its own without it necessarily being in the policy itself.

This is really part of a more general problem which I mentioned in comments
of draft1 - in the draft while 1/4 of it talks about what ISPs should do 
as sponsors there are absolutly no consecunces for them not doing their 
sponsoring duties. I really do not see how to easily deal with it other 
then to mention that ISPs that are known not do as they are supposed as 
sponsors may not be accepted by ARIN as sponsors for other assignments, 
but I did not think this phrase would necessarily change anything either.

> I think ARIN doing audits on the space periodically and/or doing checks 
> when you pay your renewal fee would be a lot more reliable than hoping 
> that an upstream would notify ARIN if you ceased being their customer.  
> There are providers out there whose billing systems are so screwed up 
> that they'll continue billing you for services long after you've stopped 
> using them.  Yet they will somehow magically notify ARIN that you're no 
> longer a customer even when they're own billing department doesn't get 
> the message?  
> As sad as it is to say, I just don't think you can rely on everyone to be 
> good netizens, so ARIN needs to be more proactive.  If everyone was, you 
> wouldn't have problems like people announcing a bunch of unnecessary /24's 
> instead of their larger aggregate or people still filtering 
> etc...
> Forrest
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, McBurnett, Jim wrote:
> > 
> > I would rather not see this language. The policy states that ISP A or ISP B must inform ARIN
> > when this happens. I know we can't depend on this to work, but if we build in a backup, why even
> > ask ISP A or ISP B to inform ARIN of this change?
> > 
> > Jim
> > > 
> > > I think some sort of language saying that ARIN will do audits of the 
> > > assignments from time to time is needed.  Or perhaps when you 
> > > pay your 
> > > annual renewal fee, you should have to provide proof along 
> > > with it that 
> > > you are still connected to more than 1 upstream.  Basically 
> > > something that 
> > > will prevent someone from being multihomed today, get a micro 
> > > assignment, 
> > > and then drop their second provider while keeping their micro 
> > > assignment.
> > > 
> > > Forrest
> > > 

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