[ppml] 2002-7 and "Abstract of [...]"
ppml at rsuc.gweep.net
Tue Feb 18 18:20:24 EST 2003
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 01:44:00PM -0700, John M. Brown wrote:
> once upon a time we tried to create a data base, RADB, IRR
> etc. They don't seem to be getting as much use as they
> used to.
I don't see that assertion to hold water. RIPE and APNIC run
them as part of the registry by default; seems that is the
only way to get lazy folks to register stuff. Major (and minor)
ISPs run their own IRR nodes and *require* customers to use
them. 1239 and 701 are the only real holdouts; one significant
IRR node proxy-registers stuff it sees from 1239 too. :-) It
isn't a small list at http://www.irr.net/docs/list.html
> I am extremely leary of having the RIR's become involved
> in "asserting" whats in the routing table.
Does this mean you think folks should be routing whatever they
please, allocations be damned? Either the allocations are
meaningful or they aren't; please choose. Seems that if the
registry doesn't care about address squatters then who should?
> The failure modes of that database being corrupt, hacked
> or fat finger'd are to big to justify the value of it,
> IMHO. If someone like ARIN did it I would expect them
> to carry a liability policy of multiple millions incase
> they fat fingered or other screwed the data up and cause
> someone get get dropped off the net that wasn't suppose
> to be.
Compare and contrast with what is done in RIPE and APNIC
spheres if continuing down this thread. I wonder if this
notion/assumption/attitude is the explaination why ALTDB
still exists and ARINdb is under-populated? Or why most of
the 'independant' IRR nodes are in the ARIn sphere?
All I was trying to (undercaffenated) do was point out
legitimate operationals support of the concept of a "known-
to-be-small-net-multihoming-specific" block, a la 2002-7.
Not sure how it veered into this arena. See below:
> > It is a Very Short step to dedicating and policing space for
> > 'officially blessed small multihoming'. This would
> > - be consistnt with RIR roles and previous actions (ASNs not
> > used for multihomed entities can be revoked; ISPs and other
> > LIRs are tacitly encouraged to revoke space that *was*
> > justified by multihoming when said multihoming doesn't
> > occur; etc)
> > - reduce deaggregation/holes in areas populated by aggregates
> > - give network operators additional tools to do *their* jobs
> > of filtering/fighting black-hatted-ness *without* making it
> > the RIR's job (ie, i can filter against longest-match abuse
> > in space knpown to be populated with aggregates AND point
> > any complainers to the Right Thing)
> > Do I want the RIRs managing the routing tables? No. Do I
> > want registries to hold confirmed data, audit trails
> > disambiguated, and everyone playing by the same rules? Yes.
The above is "support for 2002-7" FWIW.
Joe, still too low on coffee
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