[ppml] comments on various new possible threads

John M. Brown john at chagres.net
Tue Feb 18 15:52:03 EST 2003

> revocation or routing 
> announcements - neither service is provided by ARIN.

There has been RIR talk about providing such service.  So
if you are stating that the RIR known as ARIN is not talking
about or going to provide such service, we can drop the 
thread.  Otherwise its valid to be talked about on the PPML
> Now, about allocations and assignments...
> Suggested Thread #1: Revocation
> I believe this thread began with the idea of having certain 
> services (allocations/assignments) revoked by ARIN under 
> given circumstances (namely fostering SPAM).  We need to be 
> more precise on which resources and under which conditions 
> those resources are to be revoked.

Since there isn't a "standard" lithmus test for what SPAM is,
ARIN can't have a policy to revoke a prefix because of SPAM.

This should be dropped.  Spam is a social issue that is not
in the perview of ARIN or any other RIR.
> Suggested Thread #2: Enforcement
> The motor vehicle registry can revoke a license to drive, but 
> not stop you from driving your car - that is the role of law 
> enforcement. ARIN currently has no mechanism to enforce 
> policy other than removing allocations/assignments or other 
> database resources.  If there is a specific suggestion on how 
> ARIN could provide enforcement of resources it manages, 
> please take this to that thread (rename the subject please)!

RIR's are not in the business of providing this service. The liability
risk is way to high.
> Suggested Thread #3: Selling /24's
> There was an assertion that folks are purchasing /24's for 
> abuse. Sorry, simple taxonomy correction.  No address space 
> is ever sold, "leased" is the term here.  So, should there be 
> an AUP that describes leasing of space downstream?  If you 
> have suggested policy for that purpose, let's discuss.

A RIR should not dictate or control, what someone does with
their space in this manner.  Having a RIR control that, means
the RIR is controlling the business model for some organization.
Terms like Anti-Trust, Monopoly and other such come to mind 
with this thread idea.

> Suggested Thread #5: Collaboration with IETF
> This might be along the lines of soBGP, etc. for 
> authenticating BGP announcements.  Perhaps ARIN could provide 
> database information for initial AS_to_allocation/assignments 
> for BGP auth.  ARIN has involvement with IETF and other 
> organizations via its staff, the AC and the BOT.  If there is 
> a particular service or policy that we should discuss 
> regarding a specific technology, please suggest it here.  
> ARIN involvement with other organizations is more of a staff 
> issue though, and not a specific policy topic. (Richard - 
> correct me if I'm wrong here!)

Making use of new protocols that affect allocations and their
uses, is a policy issue to be brought before the membership,
prior to adoption.

sBGP and other such things will take multiple years to role
out, the equipment, IOS-ish, and other costs are way high
to make this a requirement in the short term.

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