[ppml] Spamming off of this list
william at elan.net
william at elan.net
Wed Aug 27 11:58:43 EDT 2003
I've received exactly same email from bhall at incognito.com as well and
I also did not comment on ip database tools but on other issues.
And ARIN does have policy for mailing lists, its at
http://www.arin.net/policy/arin_mail_aup.html and it states:
"Marketing of products or advertising of any kind, whether for business or
employment purposes, is not allowed.
Attempts to obtain email addresses for any purpose other than for which
the list was designed is prohibited."
So Brian definetly qualifies for removal (ARIN listmaster - where are you?)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Mury wrote:
> So I wasn't the only one. Two other people emailed me privately to say
> they had received it and considered it spam. In addition, the spammer is
> a liar... or extrememly ignorant. He has since emailed me again spouting
> a bunch of BS. Yes, he is apparantly trying to politely back peddle, but
> in reality he's lying about how he got the list and why he sent the
> message. Instead of lying and defending himself, he should have said "I
> was wrong and I'm sorry."
> So for those that questioned it, yes it was spam. So back to my question,
> does ARIN have a mailing list policy regarding this? Can this person be
> removed from the mailing list? Hell, their IPs should be revoked if it
> happens a 2nd time.
> His followup letter follows.
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:38:25 -0700
> From: "Hall, Brian" <bhall at incognito.com>
> To: 'Mury' <mury at goldengate.net>
> Subject: RE: [ppml] Spamming off of this list
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> I did not spam, certainly not by any definition I've ever heard used.
> I did send extremely brief message, individually, to several people (less
> than 10 total) who actively expressed interest in a means of automating
> the IP management and IP assignment functions.
> That said, I apologize for any incovenience.
> You will not receive anything more unless you explicitly request it.
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> > In a message written on Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 06:15:14PM -0400, jlewis at lewis.org wrote:
> > > > bhall at incognito.com
> > > > Brian Hall | Product Manager
> > > > Incognito Software Inc.
> > > > T: 604.688.4332 x111 | F: 604.688-4339
> > >
> > > Is it really spam if you post in a thread on a mailing list and someone
> > > responds privately saying they have a product related to your post that
> > > you might be interested in? I'm not so sure I'd call it spam.
> > I received one of these, of note:
> > * The message had no "References" header, or any other indication
> > it was a "reply" other than "Re:" in the subject line.
> > * My sent-mail archive indicates I've never sent a message to the
> > list with the subject Mr Hall's message indicated "Re: IP
> > management".
> > Given the lack of anything to indicate it was a reply, I'd say he
> > harvested addresses, and sent out a message thinly disguised as a
> > reply. That is spam.
> > --
> > Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
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