[ppml] IP Address Management Tools

BARGER, DAVE (SBIS) db6906 at sbc.com
Tue Aug 19 12:34:54 EDT 2003

We have been using Lucent's QIP and Network Allocator product since 1999.  
Network Allocator 3.0 includes a lot of customization that we asked Lucent
to do
over the years, including automated assign/remove swips.  These tools have
our needs very well.  It is an excellent subnet managment tool, and also
allows you
to manage /32 assignments, DNS, and DHCP (although we use different
for DNS/DHCP).  Managing over 800k subnets and 500k customer records, it
scales rather nicely.

I'll be at the October meeting, and would be glad to demo it if anyone is

Dave Barger
Senior Technical Director
Network Engineering IP Management
SBC Internet Services
214-473-2098 (office)
877-514-7507 (pager)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Van Emburg [mailto:arin-member at quadrix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:46 AM
To: hank.harris at visualware.com
Cc: Zeibari, Gregory; Michael.Dillon at radianz.com; ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] IP Address Management Tools

I've recently run into another product that might fit the need, QIP.  It 
was created by a company called, Quadritek, and sold to Lucent in 1999. 
  If you go to http://www.quadritek.com, it'll take you to the right 
place within a Lucent web site.

I haven't used the product, but it looks interesting for this type of 
application, and it's been used by enterprises for a while.
				     -- Bill Van Emburg
					Quadrix Solutions, Inc.
					(mailto:bve at quadrix.com)
		The eBusiness Solutions Company

Hank Harris wrote:

> You should go to www.visualware.com and look at their
> DesktopResponse and VisualPulse products.  The first will do what
> you are looking for.
> Hank
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On Behalf
> Of
> Zeibari, Gregory
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: 'Michael.Dillon at radianz.com'; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] IP Address Management Tools
> just an FYI...
> We have been working with a Company named Diamond IP
> Technologies, to
> develop such a tool to help us manage all of our private and
> public IP
> space, called NetControl.
> Please contact Michael Dooley directly at mdooley at diamondip.com,
> 610-423-4770 for more information.
> Thanks.
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael.Dillon at radianz.com
> [mailto:Michael.Dillon at radianz.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [ppml] IP Address Management Tools
> A few weeks ago, John Lewis said:
>>It doesn't help that there seems to be no suitable tool for
> tracking IP
>>utilization to the degree that ARIN applications require...at
> least none
>>that I've seen, and I've installed and tested several of the
> free
>>ones...and never got anywhere trying to get info or a test drive
> out of a
>>commercial one.  This means for the average ISP, ARIN
> application time is
>>also IP utilization audit time.  Not a fun time for whoever does
> it.
>>If someone were to develop an affordable (to the average small
> ISP) tool
>>for IP allocation tracking, and applying for more space was
> reduced to
>>filling out a few text fields on the ARIN application and
> including a
>>report from your allocation tracking system, I think there'd be
> alot less
>>complaining about the 3-month's supply policy by ISPs when they
> get to
>>their 3rd allocation and finally get slapped down by the 3-month
> policy.
> I suggest that ARIN should provide such a tool in furtherance of
> its
> purposes such as numbers 4, 5 and 8. You can read the full text
> of those
> numbered purposes at this URL:
> http://www.arin.net/library/corp_docs/amend_june_19_1997.pdf
> I would like to see a discussion of this on the agenda at the
> next members
> meeting.
> I envisage this tool as something which uses a proper
> hierarchical data
> model for IP addresse, not a relational data model, and which
> uses an
> appropriate programming language which could be incorporated into
> commercial software packages or adopted by enterprise IT
> departments. That
> probably means a Java framework combined with Python for
> scripting glue.
> http://www.jython.org
> Some things which are definitely not appropriate are MySQL and
> PERL. There
> are already several hack jobs that people have thrown together
> using PERL
> and MySQL but they don't do the job well enough, would never be
> adopted by
> enterprise IT departments or commercial network management
> packages. In
> addition, MySQL is a RELATIONAL database but IP address ranges
> are
> hierarchical in nature and are better suited to an
> object-oriented or a
> hierarchical database model. The intention is not to do another
> hack job
> but to provide a reference implementation that other people will
> adopt and
> integrate into their larger systems.

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