[ppml] The WIANA registry

Mury mury at goldengate.net
Tue Apr 29 16:42:51 EDT 2003

Here's a thought.  On their site they complain about not being able to use  Now I don't know all the ins and outs of what they are trying
to accomplish to know if that is a real technical problem.

But if we assume that it is a legitimate technical problem, does it make
sense for IANA to designate another large block for private use?  It could
even be tagged for private wireless usage.


On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 william at elan.net wrote:

> > > Given the above, I expect WIANA to say at some point in the
> > > future "Look, we are already using this space and no-one else
> > > is; so just let us use it." All without going through the
> > > mutually agreed upon processes, procedures and justifications
> > > that everyone else must go through.
> > >
> > > This, I believe, is the real problem with this 'Registry'..
> >
> > This seems like a perfectly sensible strategy to me and that is why there
> > needs to be a REAL mechanism to stop such squatting and tactic.  This takes
> > the implicit (though explicit would be more satisfying) cooperation of the
> > Registries and the ISP community.
> And how do you see that? What can you possibly do?
> They have made it clear they are not using ips for internet connectivity.
> They would not do as RFC suggested and use one of other ranges (10/8), so
> whatever problems their users run into (like not being able to access real
> 1/8 ips if they were assigned) is what they get for doing something that
> is not standard.
> As far as anything else - ARIN tries to maintain good balance between
> assigning ips and actually getting involved in routing and network connectivity
> - in my opinion it would be completely inappropriate for ARIN to tell
> their members you MUST not route to particular ip block, etc. ARIN can
> tell them this block should not be routable through whois and best is to
> maintain that database better and to provide better means of accessing it.
> As far as WIANA - I think best we can do is NOT get involved in this situation
> (dont not help by having everybody talk about it and giving them such free
> publicity - and do note that if ARIN is against them it may very well work
> in their favor as far as public opinion goes). If WIANA is successfull
> in getting users to use their system, they may realize best they can do
> is to apply for actual ip block range from APNIC, ARIN, RIPE, etc or use
> procedures for experimental allocation (but not expect they would get 1/8
> likely something much smaller), but I would expect they would not be
> successfull - their system of having to route individual ips across the
> net would lead to very large routing table and this is just not technically
> workable when it gets large enough. Better way would be to use static ips
> within ipv6 for devices on user end (out of /64) and have good way
> of doing Dynamic DNS with ipv6 A6 and DNAME records that works immediatly
> as soon as they connect, and this is something for IETF to work on.
> --
> William Leibzon
> Elan Communications Inc.
> william at elan.net

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