[ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN

william at elan.net william at elan.net
Fri Apr 25 13:13:37 EDT 2003

 I believe for ppml list its actually usefull to post ditto messages. I 
know for many other lists it is considered inappropriate to post message 
if somebody else already posted the same, but here we have policy issues 
and people in charge of ARIN determine support or otherwise for particular 
issue in part by looking at comments on this mail list. If you feel 
somebody posted something similar to your thoughts on this issue and you 
think this is important issue for you or for internet in general, you 
should probably say that you either agree or post something similar in 
your own words. I think people here will tolerate ditto messages 
especially when they are coming out of people who are not otherwise 
present on public meetings.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Jeff Urmann wrote:

> I don`t usually post ditto messages, but it somehow seems appropriate here.
> I can`t type nearly as fast as William (<40 symbols/minute) so someone
> usually responds long before me.  I am also mostly in "Listen Mode".  I fall
> into both categories for limited postings, but I will add a third reason:
> 3.  I do not always write my thoughts in a clear and concise fashion,
> therefore, I fear the grammar police.  I can say though that the grammar
> police have been very constructive here on ppml.  Some very good spin
> doctors here as well.  But I also do not want to waste other`s time.
> I am not an RIR member.  I subscribed to ppml as I have an interest in how
> the global internet is shaped.  And certainly anything ARIN does can have
> significant impact on the global internet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cutler, James R [mailto:james.cutler at eds.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:33 AM
> To: ARIN Policy
> Subject: RE: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
> I am a member of the ppml and NANOG lists, among many others.  Over the
> years I have found two things:
> 1.  If I wait to respond, there are at least two others who will essentially
> respond with my thoughts, often in better words than I can.  (The ppml list
> top twenty contains at least four such participants.)
> 2.  Responding to the more outrageous and egregious messages usually results
> in ad hominum attacks, so I try to refrain from responding to those
> messages.
> The net result is to be in "Listen Mode" for the most part.  Sometimes, I
> have found a new list, tried it, and found the noise level to be too high to
> spend any time there.  For NANOG and ARIN lists, I just tolerate the noise
> bursts.
> -
> James R. Cutler,  EDS
> 800 Tower Drive, Troy, MI 48098
> 1 248 265 7514
> james.cutler at eds.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell at ufp.org] 
> Sent: 2003-04-24, Thursday 6:44 PM
> To: ARIN Policy
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
> <snip>
> What would be interesting to know is is that silent majority silent because
> they are happy, silent because they are afraid to speak up, or silent
> because they simply don't know this list and/or the meetings exist?

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