[ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
John.Sweeting at teleglobe.com
Thu Apr 24 10:07:33 EDT 2003
I have 3 questions for William:
If this is not a policy issue, why are you posting to the Public Policy
Mailing List? and not directing it to either the CEO of ARIN, one of his
Directors, or the BoT?
Do you have unresolved requests with ARIN that you have followed through on
IAW with Richard Jimmerson's guidance?
Do you have first hand knowledge of anyone following written policy and
meeting published quidelines being rejected by ARIN?
If so it would be nice to see since all I have seen posted are vague
references to unidentified issues.
I am not sure who you represent with your "we" but it is certainly not me or
anyone else that I have spoken to at past meetings. If you have facts, then
represent them....if not, then stop wasting everyone's time. I also
challenge you to run for the AC in the next election, that way your support
can be measured and you can work from inside on fixing all these issues for
From: william at elan.net [mailto:william at elan.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:20 AM
To: ARIN Policy
Subject: Re: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN
Lets try to summarize this thread....
The way I see is that many think there are various operational issues with
ARIN (note - OPERATIONAL - something that may not be policy fixable).
Some particular issues are listed in:
There is also perception of large portion of ARIN community that ARIN does
not help/address issues, does not properly use money collected, does not
listen, etc, etc - bad public image.
So what we want is to:
Identify how serious these problems are (and on the way identify actual
issues...). This probably requires doing survey of people who have dealt
with ARIN recently and paying particular attention to those who have
not found it to be satisfactory. Also would require an easy way for
somebody to complain about problems (again probably survey-like web form).
It would be necessary to clearly identify issues, group them by general
areas and also identify issues that are most important and have to be
For each issues way to approach and solve it have to be gathered from
suggestions from those who had problems, what ARIN staff sees how it can
work on the issues and what other organizations have done, etc
This all have to be discussed at mailing list and some meeting. Things
like this can not be solved quickly and would require time to do some
kind of research on the issues which is more then just yelling from people
on ARIN and mentioing of problems on mailing lists and afterwards it would
time to actually decide how to fix things, but quicker we start, quicker the
problems can be fixed.
And also ARIN needs to work on its image (public relations?) along the
way letting people know it is listening and how.
Although I'm not big fan of the AC (don't think they have right ideas
on what they should do within ARIN and had been more of a problem), I do
not see any other larger constant group that can actually work on ARIN
operational problems (other then ARIN staff which many see as a problem).
So the way I see it is that AC should volunteer to look into ARIN
issues and first of all work with ARIN to identify for certain what the
problems issues are (taking the thread from NANOG as a starting point).
So if AC is here and listening I think you should consider spending a lot
more time on the operational issues and problems and not bother going
after policy making (you're not parliment here) - leave that to people
actually making proposals. This is in fact what I see as proper role for
AC - identify ARIN operational problems and assist arin in solving them
(with new policy making being left to general community).
Elan Communications Inc.
william at elan.net
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