[ppml] Proposed Changes to ARIN Policy Proposal Process

Mury mury at goldengate.net
Thu Apr 10 13:34:31 EDT 2003

I didn't attend the meeting, but I read through the slides and what you
detail below is how I understand it as well.


On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:

> OK... I think William must have attended a different live meeting than I
> did, because he came away with a _VERY_ different impression.
> 1.	All policies currently are made as recommendations by the AC,
> 	then last call at meeting and to mailing list for community
> 	yeah/nea vote.  Then, that result is forwarded to ARIN board
> 	and board decides whether or not to adopt policy.
> 2.	The proposed changes DO NOT CHANGE THIS PART OF THE PROCESS.
> 3.	The proposed changes do create a situation where the AC can
> 	consolidate similar policies.  This is a GOOD thing.
> 4.	The proposed changes do create the ability to get your proposal
> 	past the AC if you feel strongly and can get N (where N appears
> 	to currently be 4) other people to agree with you.  This prevents
> 	the AC from being a roadblock to the community while allowing
> 	it to at least be a filter.
> 5.	The proposed changes do NOT as far as I could tell shift any focus
> 	to/from mailing list vs. meeting.  In fact, both are currently
> 	basically equal as far as I can tell, and, both should continue
> 	to be about equal.  I can say that the mailing list definitely
> 	does not have priority over the meeting in the current environment.
> Just my impressions.  YMMV.
> Owen
> --On Wednesday, April 9, 2003 8:39 -0700 william at elan.net wrote:
> > I'd like people on this mailing to pay take very good look at what is
> > being proposed at http://www.arin.net/policy/process_changes/, this is
> > very serious revision of the process in my view both good and bad.
> >
> > First few slides about "Submitting a Policy Proposal" and "AC role" seems
> > quite good, its good to have AC comment on proposals and make sure they
> > are well written - I would like however this to be more public on this
> > mailing list, rather then in private to authors, but either one is
> > acceptable as long as authors are accomodated. Timing seems very similar
> > to what we have right now, so I have no comment there.
> >
> > What I do have major comment are last slide as well as what was said on
> > the live meeting. Basicly the ideas is that proposals will in general be
> > brought in by AC (AC creates proposals out of ideas that they think are
> > good and would be accepted) and be discussed and accepted by consensus on
> > live public policy meeting that the DECISIVE role will be left to the
> > meeting and NOT TO MAILING LIST as is done currently. This means that few
> > companies on the meeting with help from AC and BoT will dominate the
> > decisions (and as I have already commented many times and which is not
> > disputed is that 50% of meeting attendies are from large ISPs, while
> > these companies make only 5% of ARIN membership and far far less as far
> > as general ARIN community) - seems like we're abandoning idea of internet
> > democracy and rather would like to institute "Corporate Democracy" or
> > Roman Senate like situation as far as decision making process. I'm very
> > very concerned about this and while its probably a futile cause to change
> > this general direction, I'd like people and primarily small companies
> > that make majority of ARIN to seriously consider if this is what they
> > want from ARIN.
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Member Services wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The ARIN Board of Trustees is considering making
> >> changes to the ARIN Internet Resource Policy
> >> Evaluation Process. These changes were discussed at
> >> the ARIN XI meeting in Memphis, on April 7, 2003.
> >>
> >> The presentation slides are located at:
> >>
> >> http://www.arin.net/policy/process_changes/
> >>
> >> Comments are welcome and encouraged and should be
> >> sent to the Public Policy Mailing List (ppml at arin.net).
> >>
> >>
> >> Member Services
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >

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