[ppml] IP address theft?

[Joe Baptista]

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Bill Darte wrote:

> David,
>
> I agree with the spirit of the term 'theft' in your message regard WIANA
> below, but I am not sure about the literal definition.
>
> It is not property in a tangible sense.  It is not owned, but there is a
> significant infrastructure of 'stewardship' which makes the infrastructure
> reliable and predictable.
> Its unsanctioned use is a violation of the protocol in use, but is it theft
> in the eyes of the law?
> If addresses allocated to ARIN are squatted, does ARIN's incorporation or
> the allocation process give it 'rights' under the law to exclusive dominion
> on these 'things'?
>
> Do you use the term literally or figuratively?

The only rights you have here is by agreements made.  We have no agreement
with ARIN therefore you have no rights over our arpa - and yes we consider
them virtual property.

I've been very nervous with IANA recently and all this MLM RIR $2,500 USD
marketing hype for a service which bascially costs $6.00 per domain at
other registries.  All you do at ARIN is assignments and reverse arpa -
that does not translate into a $2,500 USD per year fee.

regards
joe baptista

Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god

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>
> Bill Darte
> ARIN AC
>
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 01:41  AM, Michael.Dillon at radianz.com
> > wrote:
> > >> They are trying to steal 1/8.  Why should anyone condone
> > such action?
> > > They are trying to use it, not steal it.
> >
> > Which is what a car jacker might say.
> >
> > They have unilaterally asserted the use of 1.0.0.0/8, which according
> > to the _only_ authority used to date (the IANA) has been
> > reserved since
> > 1981.  By this unilateral assertion, they are attempting to
> > remove that
> > address space from the pool of unallocated addresses without
> > following
> > existing, published address allocation policies.
> >
> > This is theft.
> >
> > > The RIRs no longer need to conserve IPv4 address space.
> >
> > This isn't about conserving address space or whether or not they are
> > using address space for a valid reason.  The Internet works because
> > most people see it is in their self-interest to cooperate.  Part of
> > this cooperation is to agree to use the Internet registry system
> > including the IANA as a meeting point to define global
> > addressability.
> > The folks at WIANA have chosen to ignore this cooperative system for,
> > as far as I can tell, no good reason.  Perhaps you have different
> > information?
> >
> > Rgds,
> > -drc
> >
> >
>