Slight topic change, perm listing by some DNSBL's RE: Being blacklisted by Spews

John M. Brown john at
Thu Sep 5 10:29:15 EDT 2002

Speaking as Me.

I don't think the RIR's should get involved in this matter.
If some DNSBL is listing a once badly used prefix and they
refuse to delete it, then that is an issue between the
"holder of the prefix" and the DNSBL provider.

In North America, people would have various legal
remedies available to them and thus could compele the DNSBL 
provider to remove the block now that it is no longer being
used to abuse networks..

Just like IANA / ICANN / are not the Net Abuse police, the
RIR's shouldn't be either.

More than likely, people are going to not use the DNSBL provider
that never removes, or they are going to stop using them.

just my personal .02 worth.   comments welcomed.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at [mailto:owner-ppml at] On 
> Behalf Of jlewis at
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:48 PM
> To: Jill Kulpinski
> Cc: ppml at; arin-discuss at
> Subject: RE: Being blacklisted by Spews
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Jill Kulpinski wrote:
> > Thanks for your comment and just to clarify, I am not speaking with 
> > regards to Exodus or any specific ISP.  This is a general question 
> > that I wanted to raise to the community for feedback. It is 
> > interesting because a lot of the feedback is saying that 
> the ISP would 
> > just disconnect the Customer.  What if the Customer was 
> sending a lot 
> > of mail from an address because they provided newsletter 
> distribution 
> > services?
> Regardless of what you or the customer call it, if this 
> customer doing "newsletter distribution services" is sending 
> junk to people who didn't ask for it, you're going to get 
> spam complaints.
> What the heck does this have to do with ARIN?
> More on-topic for this list would be a question that's been 
> argued about recently in SPAM-L.  It seems there is at least 
> one semi-popular dnsbl (used to block email potentially spam) 
> with a policy of never delisting IP's.  Whether you've dealt 
> with the problem, canceled the customer, inherited the 
> tainted IP space and had nothing to do with the past abuse, 
> they don't care.  They're not delisting you.
> ARIN's opinion where the "efficient utilization" of 
> IP space is 
> concerned as it pertains to applications for additional IP 
> allocations, 
> what is a member to do with permenantly blacklisted IP space? 
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