INTERVIEW comments by Conrad
Trevor Paquette
Trevor.Paquette at TeraGo.ca
Mon Sep 23 16:39:08 EDT 2002
Doh... I thought that name sounded familier...
Thanx for the clarification Dave.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Conrad [mailto:david.conrad at nominum.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:45 PM
> To: Trevor Paquette; ARIN PPML
> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW comments by Conrad
>
>
> Trevor,
>
> To be clear, I never gave an interview to Baptista (even the
> idea what he is
> a reporter is laughable, see http://www.kkc.net/baptista/ or his
> 'contributions' to the ICANN mailing lists as to why). What I did do
> (stupid me) is respond to an erroneous assertion of his
> (among various other
> innuendos and insinuations) on the cybertelecom mailing list
> (is a mailing
> list a conference?), specifically, Baptista stated:
>
> >>> according to ARIN the smallest allocation has a rental
> value of $2,500 USD
> >>> per year.
>
> I merely pointed out that the registries do not revoke
> allocations if an
> organization does not pay the allocation fee. The fees charged by the
> registries are for the service of allocation and are approved by the
> memberships of the registries. The fee, at least
> historically, has not been
> a "rental".
>
> Now, with respect to your mail:
>
> On 9/23/02 7:22 AM, "Trevor Paquette"
> <Trevor.Paquette at TeraGo.ca> wrote:
> > I've always thought that IP space was a luxury, not a right.
>
> (As an aside, the assertion I was responding was in the
> context of valuation
> of address space.)
>
> I tend to view IP space as niether. IP space is an
> abstraction that has
> value depending on context. Address space obtained from a
> regional registry
> has value in its uniqueness. ISPs can provide additional
> value to those
> unique addresses by routing them. On the other hand, what is
> the value of
> 10/8?
>
> IP space (v4 or v6) are merely integers. The service of
> insuring uniqueness
> and routability provide value to those integers. One can
> argue that both of
> those value inducing properties are luxuries and I'm sure
> someone will argue
> they are rights, but that is not an argument I'd be
> interested in getting
> into.
>
> > I would like to have David Conrad expound on his statments
> > here..
>
> Hope this clarifies things. Note that Baptista is in my loon
> filter (a
> necessary evil when you get as much email as I do), so
> responses may be
> delayed if his email address shows up in the headers.
>
> > What is ARIN actively doing to RECLAIM IP space??
>
> This question would be more appropriately directed at ARIN
> staff (who will
> jump in, if what I say is in error). However, my
> understanding is that
> efforts are actively underway to "clean" the database as a
> first step. Of
> course, attempting to 'reclaim' address space from someone
> unwilling to give
> it up (and who has contractual agreements with ISPs to route
> the space) will
> be the tricky part. As roughly 45% of the address space
> (according to the
> weekly routing table analysis sent out by APNIC) has not been
> allocated,
> rushing into lawsuits is probably not what ARIN needs to do right now
> (IMHO).
>
> Rgds,
> -drc
>
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