[ppml] Question?

Mark McFadden mcf at uwm.edu
Mon Dec 2 15:20:03 EST 2002

Is RFC 2505 insufficient, or perhaps not comprehensive enough?

There's also been other work done:  http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/spam.html

It seems to me that what we need is a version of SMTP where the "sender
pays" in some sense.  Otherwise, we are stuck with the SMTP that has the
feature of costing the sender exactly the same -- whether one address is in
the header or one million are.


Mark McFadden
Internet/Web Technology Programs
mcf at uwm.edu

----- Original Message -----
From: "McBurnett, Jim" <jmcburnett at msmgmt.com>
To: "Ron da Silva" <ron at aol.net>; <ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: [ppml] Question?

> Purpose:
> To design a method of stopping SPAMmers that becomes a standard rather
that the current haphazard Blacklist approach.
> This should include creation of new procedures and methods by the industry
with the aid of IETF engineering to identify and to correct the problem in a
politically correct manner. (I hate to say it this way, but to say: Shut
down the Spammers T-1 is not quite the correct approach, however gratifying
it may be)
> Outcome: An RFC or other similar document with guidelines defining SPAM,
listing unacceptable practices to limit or stop abuses of individuals or
> Along with as clear, concise (as much as it can be coming from a commitee)
language that defines SPAM and the possible actions that are recommended to
ISP's, End users, and Domain Admins to fight it.
> Finally:  If the committee comes out and says:
> Should a block of Address from ISP A is identified as being a massive
SPAMer, then the AUP's from it's provider with support from the community at
large and the RIR's, IETF, IANA, may take these actions, I believe many will
adopted it, and the ones who refuse will become the minority since the
current outcry about SPAM is just going to grow.
> Folks, we are on the verge of email becoming the next snail mail if we sit
back and watch and allow the junk to flow.
> If anyone follows the news and the FTC's actions on junk mail, how can we
not think about some kind of action?
> Did you enjoy getting 5,10 or 20 pieces of junk mail daily from the US
Postal Service when this was the norm?
> Suggestions anyone?
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron da Silva [mailto:ron at aol.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:22 PM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Question?
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:45:43PM -0500, McBurnett, Jim wrote:
> >
> > What I propose is that...[we] start a committee of a few folks from
> > each RIR, the IETF, IANA, and a few other organizations and fix this...
> Ok, committee could be a good idea, but we need to better articulate
> what 'this' is, clear expectations of outcome and measure of success.
> To what problem would this committee be expected to create a solution?
> Also, what would the committee do with the result?  I suspect that at
> best the committee would be able to "suggest" a solution to its
> constituents.
> -ron

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