Reassignment Proposal

ginny listman ginny at
Fri Apr 27 14:47:41 EDT 2001


Since this is more a question of where ARIN should invest resources in
developing, and less a policy issue, I would like to move the discussion
to the dbwg list.

Developing a IRR-like mechanism to monitor reassignments is an excellent
idea, and should be discuss further.  As you recall, at the Member
Meeting, members clearly expressed the desire for ARIN to invest resources
in "fixing" RWHOIS.  We have done some initial analysis, and we would
completely rewrite it, most likely using PERL.

Before Engineering proceeds, I would like to take a survey of what
reassigment method the membership would most likely use.  We can then 
apply resources accordingly.  The choices are:

IRR like method

All three have pluses and minuses.  Ideally we would like to see a single
method that would allow for the maintenance of reassignment information at
either the ISP or at ARIN.  Realistically, we would need a method to
maintain data centrally (SWIP), and a method to maintain data local
(RWHOIS, or something else). Of course, the more responses received will
give us a better sense of what the membership wants.

Ginny Listman
Director of Engineering
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Tanya Hinman wrote:

> Lee,
> Thanks for your feedback and yes our responses would be in RPSL.
> We did discuss RWHOIS briefly at the last ARIN meeting in San Francisco.
> Most people wanted to see the code upgraded and there was a suggestion that
> ARIN take that responsibility. I am unsure of what the outcome of that
> suggestion was though. Talks of RWHOIS and the code upgrade have been going
> on for a few years now, but it appears that no one wants the job of
> upgrading the code.
> Tanya
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Howard [mailto:lhoward at UU.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:40 PM
> To: Tanya Hinman
> Cc: ppml at
> Subject: Re: Reassignment Proposal
> I've been thinking along similar lines for a while.  Presumable, eveyone
> has a database of their IP allocations (for some people, this database
> is a spreadsheet or spiral-bound notebook).  Trying to keep that database
> in sync with the IRR (whether ARIN, RADB, or internal) and SWIP is
> difficult, and distributing data queries to the database of record makes
> a lot of sense to me.  Much like DNS, come to think of it.
> Would you provide responses in RPSL?
> I seem to recall ARIN announcing the publication of RWHOIS output
> requirements, but I can't find them (or anything about RWHOIS) on the
> ARIN site map.  RWHOIS is on the agenda for 4/4/2000 Public Policy
> Meeting, but my meeting notes don't have anything more specific.  In
> fact, there are no meeting minutes on ARIN's site for that meeting.
> I'm all in favor of a combined RWHOIS/IRR responder.
> Lee Howard
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Tanya Hinman wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:44:32 -0400
> > From: Tanya Hinman <thinman at>
> > To: ppml at
> > Subject: Reassignment Proposal
> >
> >
> > We would like to propose the creation of a third reassignment option in
> > conjunction with the current SWIP and RWHOIS options. As companies expand
> > globally, it would be much simpler for them to update WHOIS data in their
> > own one Registry rather than the three RIRs. We would like to create our
> own
> > WHOIS database within our Routing Registry. This would be similar to the
> way
> > RIPE represents WHOIS information along with their Routing Registry, and
> it
> > would be in place of a stand alone RWHOIS database which some of the other
> > ISP's are currently using.
> >
> > 1)If this is accepted by all three RIRs it would be very efficient and it
> > may help to relieve some of the load from the RIR's.
> > 2)If the RIRs were to Mirror the WHOIS data from ours/other ISPs'
> > Registries, it would also allow queries from the RIRs registries rather
> than
> > referencing the customer's URL like the current RWHOIS reference.
> > 3)It would be much easier to update and keep data accurate if all the data
> > is managed using the same database.
> > 4)Guidelines for the format of this WHOIS option will need to be set in
> > order to implement a standard.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Tanya Hinman
> > Cable & Wireless
> >

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