consistancy
Mury
mury at goldengate.net
Mon Sep 18 23:03:47 EDT 2000
Cathy,
Thank you very much. I obviously don't know all the details and issues
involved with reclaiming legacy space, so I don't wish to submit any
further comments other than it sure makes sense to utilize all the space
available before forcing the little guy to make technological changes that
he/she is ill equipted to do.
Of course we should all make changes that make sense and that we can
accomplish within reason.
Pick up the $500 bills laying around before scaping for pennies. Even if
the $500 bill belongs to the president.
Thanks again.
Mury
GoldenGate Internet Services
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Cathy Wittbrodt wrote:
>
> You have this slightly wrong. ARIN is not the ASO. The Address
> Supporting Organization was formed by ICANN based on a MOU that was
> written by the existing regional registries. You have included most
> of the MOU below, but it seems that the part about the selecting the
> council, etc, may be missing. Under that MOU the Address
> Council was formed by folks nominated and elected by each of the
> regions. I am on the ASO AC and I have just asked to have legacy space
> reclaimation added to our agenda for our next meeting in October.
> If you would like to submit comments or items for the address council
> you can participate in the aso-policy list or any of the other lists
> (http://www.aso.icann.org/lists/) Further you can contact me directly.
>
> Thanks,
> ---CJ
>
> From: Mury <mury at goldengate.net>
> Subject: Re: consistancy
>
> Hold the fort!
>
> I've taken some time to try to understand the authority and the role of
> ARIN in relation to ICANN instead of taking some people's word for it.
>
> Here is a summary of what I found on ICANN's site. I have pasted the text
> from http://www.aso.icann.org/docs/aso-mou.html further down as a
> reference.
>
> 1) The ICANN bylaws assign to the ASO (which ARIN is) the responsibility
> for the development of global policies relating to the definition of
> global policies for the distribution and registration of Internet address
> space (currently IPv4 and IPv6);
>
> 2) Normally, proposals for global policies within the area of the ASO's
> responsibility will be developed within the RIRs and forwarded to the
> Address Council for their consideration.
>
> 3) In addition the Address Council may accept, for consideration,
> proposals for changes to global IP address policy from any interested
> individual or entity.
>
> Doesn't this sound like it is ARIN's responsibilty to develop policies and
> not ICANNs? It sure reads like ICANN has given ARIN not just the
> authority, but the responsibility to create *global* policies for
> registration of address space. There are no conditions listed, no
> exceptions.
>
> What am I not understanding?
>
> Unless I'm badly mistaken in my understanding of a RIR's role as defined
> by ICANN, I would like to suggest that ARIN and it's decision making
> bodies consider creating policies for reclaiming largely unused legacy
> address space.
>
> What I do not know is if this has already been done and rejected by ICANN.
> If so, I would like to see copies of the rejection so I can approach ICANN
> as a concerned citizen.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mury
> GoldenGate Internet Services
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (4) Duties of the Address Council.
>
> (a) Advisory Role. The Address Council will advise the Board of ICANN on
> matters referred to the Address Council by the ICANN Board.
>
> (b) Policy Development.
>
> The ICANN bylaws assign to the ASO the responsibility for the
> development of global policies relating to the following areas:
>
> (i) Definition of global policies for the distribution
> and registration of
> Internet address space (currently IPv4 and IPv6);
>
> (ii) Definition of global policies for the distribution
> and registration of
> identifiers used in Internet inter-domain routing
> (currently BGP autonomous system numbers); and
>
> (iii) Definition of global policies concerning the part
> of the DNS name
> space which is derived from the Internet address space
> and the
> inter-domain routing identifiers (currently in-addr.arpa
> and ip6.int).
>
> <snip>
>
> Normally, proposals for global policies within the area of the ASO's
> responsibility will be developed within the RIRs and forwarded to the
> Address Council for their consideration. In special circumstances the
> ICANN board can forward a request to develop a new global policy or to
> review an existing global policy within the area of the ASO's
> responsibility to the Address Council.
>
> In addition the Address Council may accept, for consideration, proposals
> for changes to global IP address policy from any interested individual or
> entity.
>
> In all cases when the Address Council reviews a proposal for new global
> policies or a proposed modification to existing policies in this area it
> will first solicit the opinions of all of the RIR signatories of the MOU
> and of the public. The Address Council will weigh the results of these
> solicitations in its deliberations to determine if it will approve the
> proposal. At least two thirds of the members of the Address Council must
> support a proposal for the proposal to be accepted and forwarded to the
> ICANN board for its consideration.
>
> In any case where the ICANN board has requested that the Address Council
> develop a new policy within the area of the ASO's responsibility, the
> Address Council will forward that request to the RIR signatories of the
> MOU. The RIRs will then be given a reasonable time to propose policies to
> address the request from ICANN. Any resulting policy will be evaluated as
> described above. If an RIR decides, after reviewing the request, that the
> request is unreasonable, it can report that opinion to the Address
> Council. If the Address Council, after reviewing the responses, decides
> that the request is unreasonable or inadvisable, it can report that
> opinion to the ICANN board along with the reasons that the Address Council
> reached that conclusion.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Mury wrote:
>
> >
> > This might sound like nit-picking, but I think it's an important issue to
> > figure out before I "petition" IANA/ICANN with the below request. Does
> > ARIN want to be given authority to oversee those blocks? I certainly
> > don't want to ask for something to be given to ARIN that ARIN doesn't
> > want.
> >
> > Perhaps if the AC, the membership, or whoever needs to, can decide on that
> > first, then ARIN as well as concerned individuals can approach IANA/ICANN
> > with the suggestion/request.
> >
> > If ARIN doesn't want the be given that authority, then as a concerned
> > Internet citizen I'll ask them to do it themselves. While it seems that
> > the RIRs are all setup to be able to deal with the process for accounting
> > for legacy space, maybe a new ASO (Since it probably isn't regional)
> > should be created for dealing with the unique issues that reclaiming will
> > probably have.
> >
> > So, should ARIN (RIRs) have the authority and does it want it?
> >
> > Mury
> >
> > Side note: Can someone tell me how much of the legacy space would fall
> > under ARIN's region?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Alec H. Peterson wrote:
> >
> > > Mury wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No offense to you personally with these questions, but I've been told I am
> > > > not qualified to act as any sort of "spokesperson" for the ARIN
> > > > membership, and that I'm an idiot for asking for the list of legacy space
> > > > contacts.
> > > >
> > > > So my questions are:
> > > >
> > > > Is it appropriate for me to "petition IANA/ICANN" essentially on behalf of
> > > > ARIN?
> > >
> > > No, but it would be appropriate for you to petition ICANN/IANA as a
> > > concerned user of address space (and perhaps an ARIN member, although I
> > > don't know offhand if you are) to either take it upon themselves to reclaim
> > > address space or delegate authority to do so appropriately (ie, to the
> > > RIRs).
> > >
> > > Alec
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alec H. Peterson - ahp at hilander.com
> > > Staff Scientist
> > > CenterGate Research Group - http://www.centergate.com
> > > "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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