ARIN Web Hosting Policy

Tony tony at
Wed Aug 30 17:08:12 EDT 2000

Thanks for looking into this...however, in the interim I also quizzed a few
people who explained to me that I was incorrect....HOWEVER....they explained
that it was their understanding that while it, indeed, did not affect
submissions that IP addresses would come into play when someone was banned
from the Search Engine for spamming.  In other words, if I happen to be
sharing a web server with a spammer and he were to get banned by Inktomi (et
al) then all of my pages would also disappear from the engine.

Andy, if I am wrong (and I truly hope I am) please ask your friend at
Inktomi to get an official statement released.  I know of a bunch of people
who are ADAMANT about this point when selecting a web host.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ppml at [mailto:owner-ppml at]On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 4:17 PM
To: Tony
Cc: ppml at
Subject: Re: ARIN Web Hosting Policy

As a follow up my guy at Inktomi said that there wasn't any reference to
IP addresses in the code. The only thing is if two domains point to the
exact same content, then there are considerations for that.


On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Andy Walden wrote:

> I just tested this out on Lycos, Infoseek, Google, Hotbot, Yahoo, and
> Altavista and confirmed this was not the case for any of those. I also
> left a message for someone I know that works for Inktomi and knows the
> insides very well. If he says something different I will certainly pass
> that along.
> andy
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Tony wrote:
> > I would like to add my two cents to the IP policy debate, but I would
> > to add it as a Business Person who makes a living on the Internet (yes,
> > admit it, I am a "suit")  :)
> >
> > Mostly you guys have talked about Technical Issues that I know very
> > about. I trust that you are the best in your fields, however, there is a
> > side of this issue that has yet to be addressed.
> >
> > My case below is made with some assumptions that cannot be verified by
> > me....One of you guys might be able to get an official statement from
> > parties involved, but thus far I, nor anyone that I know, has been able
> > get a straight answer.  We arrived at this information by running tests
> > sometimes take months and months to draw a conclusion because of the
> > amount of time that it takes to get listed on most Search Engines.
> >
> > As a business trying to be succesful on the Internet one must be
> > with the Search Engines.  For those of you that do not know this, most
> > Search Engines (Exite, Alta Vista, et al) that use algorithms to score a
> > presence in a related search also intentionally BLOCK more than one
> > per IP address.  This policy started because of people spamming the
> > Engines with multiple submissions by the same site, using Third Level
> > Domains that all resolved to the same IP address, and free host accounts
> > that Search Engine Spammers use to like to hide behind. To counter that,
> > engines (Inktomi, et al) instituted a system that says that only ONE
> > will be listed per IP address, so if I owned a Sporting Goods Store and
> > a #1 listing for "Baseball Gloves" and someone else on the same server
> > same IP address) submits their Pokemon Hobby Site either their site will
> > bump mine out, or theirs will get passed over without a listing.  In
> > cases there may tens, hundreds, or possibly even thousands of domains on
> > single high end web server and only ONE of them will be listed on any
> > particular Engine at a particular time.
> >
> > Once again, this is my understanding and NOT something that I have
> > with any major Search Engine (not that I havent tried, but they are less
> > than forthcoming with information about their algorithms...and with good
> > cause I might add).  We have run test after test and it keeps bringing
> > the same result, even though nobody will admit it on the record.  Yahoo
> > still does site submissions manually so I think they are exempt from
> > as they list SITES not domains....but it can take up to 10 months to get
> > listing on Yahoo and only a few weeks on the automated ones.
> >
> > If this concern could be completely addressed then from the BUSINESS
> > I don't think we would have any problems with this measure.....all we
> > about is being able to make sales which keeps ALL of our jobs
> > will always let the experts (you guys) figure out all of the stuff with
> > acronyms.  :)
> >
> > Thats just my $ .02
> >
> > Tony
> >

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