ARIN Web Hosting Policy

Andy Walden andy at
Wed Aug 30 15:55:28 EDT 2000

I just tested this out on Lycos, Infoseek, Google, Hotbot, Yahoo, and
Altavista and confirmed this was not the case for any of those. I also
left a message for someone I know that works for Inktomi and knows the
insides very well. If he says something different I will certainly pass
that along.


On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Tony wrote:

> I would like to add my two cents to the IP policy debate, but I would like
> to add it as a Business Person who makes a living on the Internet (yes, I
> admit it, I am a "suit")  :)
> Mostly you guys have talked about Technical Issues that I know very little
> about. I trust that you are the best in your fields, however, there is a
> side of this issue that has yet to be addressed.
> My case below is made with some assumptions that cannot be verified by
> me....One of you guys might be able to get an official statement from the
> parties involved, but thus far I, nor anyone that I know, has been able to
> get a straight answer.  We arrived at this information by running tests that
> sometimes take months and months to draw a conclusion because of the shear
> amount of time that it takes to get listed on most Search Engines.
> As a business trying to be succesful on the Internet one must be succesful
> with the Search Engines.  For those of you that do not know this, most
> Search Engines (Exite, Alta Vista, et al) that use algorithms to score a
> presence in a related search also intentionally BLOCK more than one domain
> per IP address.  This policy started because of people spamming the Search
> Engines with multiple submissions by the same site, using Third Level
> Domains that all resolved to the same IP address, and free host accounts
> that Search Engine Spammers use to like to hide behind. To counter that, the
> engines (Inktomi, et al) instituted a system that says that only ONE site
> will be listed per IP address, so if I owned a Sporting Goods Store and had
> a #1 listing for "Baseball Gloves" and someone else on the same server (with
> same IP address) submits their Pokemon Hobby Site either their site will
> bump mine out, or theirs will get passed over without a listing.  In many
> cases there may tens, hundreds, or possibly even thousands of domains on a
> single high end web server and only ONE of them will be listed on any
> particular Engine at a particular time.
> Once again, this is my understanding and NOT something that I have confirmed
> with any major Search Engine (not that I havent tried, but they are less
> than forthcoming with information about their algorithms...and with good
> cause I might add).  We have run test after test and it keeps bringing up
> the same result, even though nobody will admit it on the record.  Yahoo
> still does site submissions manually so I think they are exempt from this,
> as they list SITES not domains....but it can take up to 10 months to get a
> listing on Yahoo and only a few weeks on the automated ones.
> If this concern could be completely addressed then from the BUSINESS angle,
> I don't think we would have any problems with this measure.....all we care
> about is being able to make sales which keeps ALL of our jobs protected...we
> will always let the experts (you guys) figure out all of the stuff with
> acronyms.  :)
> Thats just my $ .02
> Tony

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