ARIN Web Hosting Policy

[Tony]

Thanks for looking into this...however, in the interim I also quizzed a few
people who explained to me that I was incorrect....HOWEVER....they explained
that it was their understanding that while it, indeed, did not affect
submissions that IP addresses would come into play when someone was banned
from the Search Engine for spamming.  In other words, if I happen to be
sharing a web server with a spammer and he were to get banned by Inktomi (et
al) then all of my pages would also disappear from the engine.

Andy, if I am wrong (and I truly hope I am) please ask your friend at
Inktomi to get an official statement released.  I know of a bunch of people
who are ADAMANT about this point when selecting a web host.

Tony





-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On Behalf Of Andy
Walden
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 4:17 PM
To: Tony
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: ARIN Web Hosting Policy




As a follow up my guy at Inktomi said that there wasn't any reference to
IP addresses in the code. The only thing is if two domains point to the
exact same content, then there are considerations for that.

andy

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Andy Walden wrote:

>
> I just tested this out on Lycos, Infoseek, Google, Hotbot, Yahoo, and
> Altavista and confirmed this was not the case for any of those. I also
> left a message for someone I know that works for Inktomi and knows the
> insides very well. If he says something different I will certainly pass
> that along.
>
> andy
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Tony wrote:
>
> > I would like to add my two cents to the IP policy debate, but I would
like
> > to add it as a Business Person who makes a living on the Internet (yes,
I
> > admit it, I am a "suit")  :)
> >
> > Mostly you guys have talked about Technical Issues that I know very
little
> > about. I trust that you are the best in your fields, however, there is a
> > side of this issue that has yet to be addressed.
> >
> > My case below is made with some assumptions that cannot be verified by
> > me....One of you guys might be able to get an official statement from
the
> > parties involved, but thus far I, nor anyone that I know, has been able
to
> > get a straight answer.  We arrived at this information by running tests
that
> > sometimes take months and months to draw a conclusion because of the
shear
> > amount of time that it takes to get listed on most Search Engines.
> >
> > As a business trying to be succesful on the Internet one must be
succesful
> > with the Search Engines.  For those of you that do not know this, most
> > Search Engines (Exite, Alta Vista, et al) that use algorithms to score a
> > presence in a related search also intentionally BLOCK more than one
domain
> > per IP address.  This policy started because of people spamming the
Search
> > Engines with multiple submissions by the same site, using Third Level
> > Domains that all resolved to the same IP address, and free host accounts
> > that Search Engine Spammers use to like to hide behind. To counter that,
the
> > engines (Inktomi, et al) instituted a system that says that only ONE
site
> > will be listed per IP address, so if I owned a Sporting Goods Store and
had
> > a #1 listing for "Baseball Gloves" and someone else on the same server
(with
> > same IP address) submits their Pokemon Hobby Site either their site will
> > bump mine out, or theirs will get passed over without a listing.  In
many
> > cases there may tens, hundreds, or possibly even thousands of domains on
a
> > single high end web server and only ONE of them will be listed on any
> > particular Engine at a particular time.
> >
> > Once again, this is my understanding and NOT something that I have
confirmed
> > with any major Search Engine (not that I havent tried, but they are less
> > than forthcoming with information about their algorithms...and with good
> > cause I might add).  We have run test after test and it keeps bringing
up
> > the same result, even though nobody will admit it on the record.  Yahoo
> > still does site submissions manually so I think they are exempt from
this,
> > as they list SITES not domains....but it can take up to 10 months to get
a
> > listing on Yahoo and only a few weeks on the automated ones.
> >
> > If this concern could be completely addressed then from the BUSINESS
angle,
> > I don't think we would have any problems with this measure.....all we
care
> > about is being able to make sales which keeps ALL of our jobs
protected...we
> > will always let the experts (you guys) figure out all of the stuff with
> > acronyms.  :)
> >
> > Thats just my $ .02
> >
> > Tony
> >
>