<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It seems to me that arin-discuss is generally low volume as well. Once a year, we get a flurry of emails about election spam.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps we should disallow election spam rather than changing the opt-in/opt-out policy for arin-discuss.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 16, 2018, at 09:06 , Andrew Dul <<a href="mailto:andrew.dul@quark.net" class="">andrew.dul@quark.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, HelveticaNeue; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;">Perhaps ARIN-discuss should be opt-in rather than opt-out by default. I have no problem with arin-announce being opt-out by default, since that is a moderated and generally low-volume list. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Andrew<br class=""><br class="">On 10/15/2018 5:52 PM, Patrick Laughton wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:AM0PR0502MB36823E2429E75E37EEB767438FFE0@AM0PR0502MB3682.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: -apple-system, HelveticaNeue; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Timothy,</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Thanks, I was about to chime in with the same correction and a specific citation.</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">From the "Welcome New ARIN Member!" email I received:</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">"As a member, you’re subscribed to ARIN-Discuss, a member-only forum offering our member community a platform to discuss ARIN-specific issues such as, but not limited to internal policies and fee structures. You’re also subscribed to ARIN-Announce, used by ARIN staff to provide timely information on key issues affecting our members and the Internet community. Please also subscribe to our Public Policy mailing list so you can become active in our policy development process and following ongoing discussions that may change the way your organization can obtain future resources from ARIN. To learn more and to subscribe to these and other ARIN mailing lists, please visit our Mailing Lists page and join the discussion today! Please note, you may unsubscribe or manage your ARIN Discuss and/or Announce mailing list subscriptions anytime by visiting<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-discuss</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce</a>."</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">So, no, not all of us explicitly signed up -- I didn't, and dangit, I'm running out of popcorn.</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="ms-outlook-ios-signature"><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Patrick</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">(via mobile)</div></div></div><div class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 1488.609375px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="dir="ltr"" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net"><arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on behalf of Timothy Pearson<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tpearson@raptorengineering.com"><tpearson@raptorengineering.com></a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 15, 2018 12:12<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael Zindel<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election SPAM<div class=""> </div></font></div>On 10/15/2018 12:53 PM, Michael Zindel wrote:<br class="">> Oh man, when I subscribed to ARIN discuss ( * like every single one of<br class="">> you did * ) , I had no idea it would be so rewarding . Over 90% of the<br class="">> spam on this chain is people complaining about spam./ It can't get any<br class="">> better./<br class="">> /<br class="">> /<br class="">> Filter by subject line if you really don't want to be part of this<br class="">> community mailing list.<br class=""><br class="">Just one small correction -- many of us didn't sign up. On our side at<br class="">least, there seems to have been an auto-subscribe to a couple of lists<br class="">including this one.<br class=""><br class="">However, the point of filtering is quite valid. It's a ten second rule<br class="">to set up in Thunderbird etc., either unsubscribe or set up the rule. ;-)<br class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Timothy Pearson<br class="">Raptor Engineering<br class="">+1 (415) 727-8645 (direct line)<br class="">+1 (512) 690-0200 (switchboard)<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.raptorengineering.com&d=DwICAg&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=bPS6c3ygJ_-Ik5xQBR_ZpambDB_-WEapYm3QSAjMRHo&s=LrEeZp7ZXRI2-zTGRVvedDtIE3FFBtUK1d0_yqJboSQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.raptorengineering.com&d=DwICAg&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=bPS6c3ygJ_-Ik5xQBR_ZpambDB_-WEapYm3QSAjMRHo&s=LrEeZp7ZXRI2-zTGRVvedDtIE3FFBtUK1d0_yqJboSQ&e=</a><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">ARIN-Discuss<br class="">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br class="">the ARIN Discussion Mailing List (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ARIN-discuss@arin.net">ARIN-discuss@arin.net</a>).<br class="">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Ddiscuss&d=DwICAg&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=bPS6c3ygJ_-Ik5xQBR_ZpambDB_-WEapYm3QSAjMRHo&s=v6B4jCV71X0cg3H_I4IUK3hEH3oeqavEhvnGxPfiK-k&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Ddiscuss&d=DwICAg&c=aXfg9j-An5sFdflqnjAj_USiCjXm5xEBIX8lTgWEt0U&r=ndXpRHR_l6-fSSMwB8IWcqzvwMOOBGvmSxw6OAwOZ-s3pnnxFMOE86VpnVNFZlULn-B6yAq90x-ATA-24WRi7w&m=bPS6c3ygJ_-Ik5xQBR_ZpambDB_-WEapYm3QSAjMRHo&s=v6B4jCV71X0cg3H_I4IUK3hEH3oeqavEhvnGxPfiK-k&e=</a><br class="">Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br class=""></div><br class=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""><pre wrap="" class="">_______________________________________________
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