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<div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">If you manage IP space or run a network and dont understand what a listserv is, or how it works... its a sad day for TCP/IP</div>
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<div id="from"><b>From:</b> michael.zindel@libertybroadband.site</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm puzzled by how many people aren't interested in the goings-on of ARIN and refer to it as spam. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 6:35 AM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:mike.hammett@ics-il.com">mike.hammett@ics-il.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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You're not. It's a figment of your imagination.<br>
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Hammett</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" target="_blank" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">Intelligent
Computing Solutions</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">
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<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" target="_blank" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">Midwest
Internet Exchange</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">
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<a href="http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/" target="_blank" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">The
Brothers WISP</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:medium; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">
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<b>From: </b>"John Ajjarapu" <<a href="mailto:John.Ajjarapu@ironmountain.com" target="_blank">John.Ajjarapu@ironmountain.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Martin Hannigan" <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Monday, October 15, 2018 5:11:11 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN Election SPAM<br>
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Why am I getting these SPAM????
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On Oct 15, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Martin Hannigan <<a href="mailto:hannigan@gmail.com" target="_blank">hannigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Note: Apologies if anyone doesn't want to discuss this on arin-discuss. I always assumed this list was intended for relevant discussions about ARIN with "PPML" being for policy discussions. As Rodney Joffe pointed out, there is a URL to a working unsubscribe
function at the bottom of all ARIN lists AFAIK if this is problematic for anyone.The list is also tagged in the subject. It is quite easy to filter for later reading comfort. It is a nice way to approach any mailbox organization.<br>
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<div>While I have preferences for voting as an impact to the policy aspect and overall public interest in ARIN, I am not a DMR. My voting views are not relevant to the issue at hand. If there is one. Did I receive actual unsolicited commercial email "UCE"?
I don't have a direct relationship with the sender. They weren't asking me for money or selling me anything other than themselves. On one hand, someone running for election seems to have a right per VA corporate law to access information identifying voters.
On the other, I am not the DMR for any company at the moment. I don't speak for one either. My interest is solely as an internet citizen. Seems like a grey area with ARIN being between the rock and the hard place more than anything.
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<div>\While in the era of Green Card Lawyers this would have been horrific, today it is not. It is 2018.I don't like spam in the traditional sense, but I am over it in the general sense. Spam filters, both automated and personally configured do well enough.
Spam is never going away as long as there is anyone alive willing to send money to $scammer. I'll leave it to the pros and each individual as to what they think it is. For me, this isn't a really a debate about spam.H owever, I do think their is an issue for
ARIN to consider for next time. Is email considered PII? What affect, if any, does that have on the required disclosure?
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<div>I doubt that my information was shared by ARIN, but it is possible. If it were, I'd be surprised as only DMRs have votes and while others may be listed in the ARIN database, they may not be entirely relevant to the statute. So was it spam? I don't know,
but I'm not putting any more cycles into thinking about it.</div>
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<div>Food for though. For next time. $0.02<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:37 PM Arik Next <<a href="mailto:arik@nextcommunications.com" target="_blank">arik@nextcommunications.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Oct 10, 2018 17:33, Clayton Zekelman <<a href="mailto:clayton@MNSi.Net" target="_blank">clayton@MNSi.Net</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm not sure if this is the place to bring it up, but did anyone else<br>
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> It appears that they harvested my e-mail address from my POC record.<br>
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You may as well say which candidate it was from.<br>
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