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I'm having a hard time reconciling what is going on here. <br>
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The idea of effectively pre-approving candidate messaging feels to
me like the proposed cure is worse then the disease. Who will
approve these? And when a video isn't approved what stops that
person from publishing it on youtube anyway? (Each candidate gets
a link to a webpage currently). And what if they instead just
encourage people to visit a link where said endorsement is made?
Or if they are wearing a T-Shirt with the other candidate? A
picture of the other candidate on their desk? Will all those be
blocked?<br>
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We also seem to encourage the idea of third party endorsements.
There is an entire section dedicated in the election website to
that purpose. <br>
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I'm also uncomfortable with the concept of "severe penalties". It
am gathering from the comments that Bernadette did not solicit
Owen's endorsement. Would the penalty be against Owen? Bernadette?
Again -- this all starts to get ugly quick.<br>
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Is the cleaner solution that if your offended by what a candidate
just don't vote for them?<br>
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And are we going to get into all the other ways people try and
rally votes? Facebook? Twitter? Direct Emailing? I think if we're
going to start putting policies around this we need to look at the
whole picture and not just one aspect of it.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Paul<br>
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(Full Disclosure: Two elections ago there was a rash of this
happening during the BoT speeches of which I was a candidate. I'm
pretty sure somebody endorsed me - but others endorsed candidates
who were not me. I thought it was strange but was not upset by
it).<br>
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On 6/5/2014 10:52 AM, Bill Sandiford wrote:<br>
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<div>I was a candidate one of the years that this occurred. It
was very upsetting. I believe a good set of rules, with severe
penalties if broken, is sufficient to ensure this doesn’t happen
again. A prohibition on speeches seems excessive to me.</div>
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<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:45 AM, CJ Aronson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@daydream.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">It has been brought to my attention that this
has happened more than once. My mistake. The more reason
that there should be guidelines for candidate speeches. I
still think taking them away completely is extreme.
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>----Cathy</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM,
CJ Aronson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cja@daydream.com" target="_blank">cja@daydream.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Wow I agree with Owen. I believe
that in person speeches are useful and give the
community a chance to get to know the candidates.
Everyone who is willing to run for election
should be told the rules. in the whole history of
ARIN this issue has appeared in one election and I
feel that if the candidates are told the rules
there will be no further problems.
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<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>----Cathy<br>
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<div class="h5">On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at
6:04 PM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span>
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oppose the implementation of
this suggestion.
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<div>No rule prohibiting what
Paul and I did existed prior
to our doing it. I don’t see
any way in which it impacted
the integrity of the election
process.</div>
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<div>However, it has been made
clear that such conduct is not
desired and I see no reason
that simply making that fact
known is not sufficient. Going
to written-only or
pre-fabricated speeches is an
unnecessary overreaction,
IMHO.</div>
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<div>Owen</div>
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With election time
starting to be on the
horizon again, it's
time for ARIN to
address the events of
October in Phoenix,
where an outgoing
Board member hijacked
the agenda to stump
for his preferred
board candidates, and
an AC candidate used
his speech time to
endorse others.<br>
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I think that for the
integrity of the ARIN
election process to
remain intact, ARIN
either needs to remove
candidate speeches and
stick to written
materials, or have the
speeches given in
premade form like a
video or something on
the ARIN website.</div>
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