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<div>Your personal remarks are unhelpful and childish. Further I have seen about 6 people in the last few hours say the exact same thing as I (regarding making a flat fee) and about 2 people disagreeing.</div>
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<div>With regards to your smidgen of useful content I am aware of exactly what Lee said regarding having full time people at the ISPs managing those allocations. Having been that person I am also aware of the amount of time I've had to spend going back and
forth with ARIN in that role and it was exponentially greater compared to the amount of time I've had to consume in the "small" category.</div>
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<div>In other words, x-large takes more ARIN time and more provider time. <br>
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On Apr 15, 2013, at 3:39 PM, "Matthew Wilder" <<a href="mailto:Matthew.Wilder@telus.com">Matthew.Wilder@telus.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Jesse – As much as I hate to feed the troll, I can’t help but point out your incredible non sequitur here. Lee said the ISP employs someone full time, NOT that
ARIN employs someone full time for each Large ISP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">I am one such FTE dedicated to IP Address Management for an X-Large ISP, soon to be XX-Large. And yet, believe it or not, ARIN only deals with me once every 3 months
at most apart from meetings and mailing lists. That’s the same as they might deal with medium or small ISPs. We run Referral Whois for our IPv4 resources, so even the registry function is not being taxed, although with IPv6 we are using RESTful-RWS to report
our reassignments – all without the operational involvement of any ARIN staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">So as much as admirable as it is to take Lee’s words and announce that Lee is confirming your assertion that ARIN is burdened by on-going operational activity related
only to X-Large ISPs, it is actually not admirable at all. At best it’s a terrible non sequitur, and at worst it’s putting words in someone’s mouth. Either way it’s lazy and annoying.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse D. Geddis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 15, 2013 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lee Howard<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lee,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You've just inadvertently argued (I'd say accurately) against the repeated assertions by those in this group that the large ISPs consume fewer man hours than small ISPs. Unlike Owen who's largest 'ISP' he's worked at is netcom in the early
90's I have worked at worldcom, uunet, and charter communications I happen to know (as you've rightfully pointed out) that x-large ISPs consume enormous amounts of ARIN man hours compared to everyone else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A flat fee addresses all these concerns. Everyone pays for what they actually use<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It discourages many of the ridiculous allocations we all see on a daily basis. Both by ARIN to ISPs and ISPs to customers by the x-large group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lee if you think apple needs a /8 to sell iPhones, ford needs a /8 to sell cars, HP needs a /8 to sell printer ink, and Eli Lilly needs a /8 to sell erections you and the rest of us may have very different ideas of what constitutes waste. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 15, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Lee Howard" <<a href="mailto:spiffnolee@yahoo.com">spiffnolee@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">The scrutiny on large ISPs is at least as rigorous as on small ISPs. Large ISPs have a full time person managing IP address records and ARIN requests, and nothing else. That is as it
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> Brian Jankovich <<a href="mailto:bjankovich@vaultnetworks.com">bjankovich@vaultnetworks.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jawaid Bazyar' <<a href="mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar@forethought.net">Jawaid.Bazyar@forethought.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 15, 2013 4:36 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I agree and doubt ARIN is really holding them to the 3mo justification of<br>
these IP blocks they are procuring.<br>
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Brian Jankovich<br>
President | vaultnetworks<br>
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305.735.8098 x210 | <a href="mailto:Brian.Jankovich@VaultNetworks.com">Brian.Jankovich@VaultNetworks.com</a><br>
skype: brianvaultnet<br>
<a href="http://www.vaultnetworks.com">www.vaultnetworks.com</a><br>
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From: Jawaid Bazyar [mailto:<a href="mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar@forethought.net">Jawaid.Bazyar@forethought.net</a>]
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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:07 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?<br>
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Still, it's a fact that the big players are hoarding immense, unused <br>
IPv4 space, which is why none of them care about IPv6.<br>
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On 04/15/2013 12:42 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:51 , <a href="mailto:rlc@usfamily.net">rlc@usfamily.net</a> wrote:<br>
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>> You ARE new to this. If you had been around longer, you would have<br>
realized<br>
>> that large players run the show at ARIN. Otherwise, the fees would have<br>
been<br>
>> proportional to the size of the netblocks on IPv4, at least since the<br>
time that<br>
>> people started to come to grips with the mathematics of IPv4.<br>
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> I don't believe that for a second.<br>
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> I have been an active member of this community since before ARIN was<br>
formed<br>
> and have been active in the ARIN policy process since not long after it<br>
was formed.<br>
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