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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Totally agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";color:navy">John kuhn</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";color:navy"><br>
enterprise Solution Architect<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";color:navy">Information Protection Centre</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light","sans-serif";color:navy">Ministry of Government Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#376092">(</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#376092">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#376092">416-212-0684</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#376092"> |</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#376092">
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</span><u><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue"><a href="mailto:john.kuhn@ontario.ca"><span style="color:blue">john.kuhn@ontario.ca</span></a></span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:gray"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Urgent Inquires (</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#376092">24/7</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#376092">
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</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray"><a href="mailto:corporate.security@ontario.ca">corporate.security@ontario.ca</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:gray"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stotyn, Mel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April-11-13 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] tweak to proposed fee schedule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:blue">Mel Stotyn<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Senior Operations Specialist</span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:blue"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">ENMAX Envision Inc.</span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:blue"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><a href="blocked::mailto:mstotyn@enmax.com" title="mailto:mstotyn@enmax.com">mstotyn@enmax.com</a></span><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:blue">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Phone: 403 514-3443</span><span style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 9, 2013 6:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Randy Carpenter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] tweak to proposed fee schedule</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here here! This is the most reasonable suggestion I have heard as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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This is the first suggestion that makes sense to me. I think it is a great detriment to the deployment of IPv6 to hand out anything smaller than /32 to ISPs. I also think that the proposed fee schedule does potentially have an unintended side-effect of encouraging
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Randy Carpenter <<a href="mailto:rcarpen@network1.net" target="_blank">rcarpen@network1.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I've been reading all of the discussion about the fee schedule and proposal 2013-3.<br>
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This is the first suggestion that makes sense to me. I think it is a great detriment to the deployment of IPv6 to hand out anything smaller than /32 to ISPs. I also think that the proposed fee schedule does potentially have an unintended side-effect of encouraging
bad behavior.<br>
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Disclaimer: This potentially would affect my company and my customers. Although, I do not have any problem at all paying (or suggesting to my ISP customers that they should be paying) the rates set forth by the pending fee schedule. I would always choose a
/32 for an ISP, as that is the proper thing to do.<br>
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thanks,<br>
-Randy<o:p></o:p></p>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Currently there is a discussion going on over on ppml@ regarding policy<br>
> 2013-3, which is largely being driven by an incentive issue with ARIN's<br>
> proposed fee schedule. Specifically, the proposed fee schedule allows<br>
> for very small ISPs to fit in the "XX-small" category. However, the<br>
> current minimum allocation for an ISP is a /36 (with a /32 being the<br>
> "standard" allocation), which does not allow a very small ISP to fit in<br>
> the XX-small category.<br>
><br>
> See the tables here for more info:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/fees/pending_fee_schedule.html" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/fees/pending_fee_schedule.html</a><br>
><br>
> Because of this, concern has been expressed that this creates a<br>
> disincentive for small ISPs to adopt IPv6. A policy proposal (2013-3)<br>
> has been developed that allows small ISPs to receive allocations as<br>
> small as /40s, while still reserving indefinitely a /32 for the ISP,<br>
> some or all of which the ISP can request at any time and without<br>
> justification.<br>
><br>
> However, there are some operational issues that arise from this use of<br>
> number policy to patch an issue with the fee schedule; these issues have<br>
> been discussed at length on PPML, and I refer the reader to the archive<br>
> of that discussion. Briefly summarized:<br>
><br>
> o It results in a messy addressing plan, where the ISP is forced to fit<br>
> into a small corner of the potential space it has available to it.<br>
> This, in turn leads to two consequences:<br>
><br>
> o Customers will receive sub-standard reassignments as the ISP becomes<br>
> increasingly parsimonious with address space.<br>
> o As the allocation grows toward the /32 boundary, it becomes less<br>
> likely that the ISP will be able to have internally aggregable routing,<br>
> and this may make it more likely that the ISP won't re-aggregate its<br>
> space as it increases the size of its allocation over time, *even* if<br>
> that space is from a single aggregable /32.<br>
><br>
> I'd like to propose a tweak to the proposed fee schedule as follows:<br>
><br>
> "ISPs which have IPv4 resources and an IPv6 allocation of exactly /32<br>
> will have their fees calculated from the fee schedule based only on<br>
> their IPv4 allocation. All allocation sizes other than IPv6 /32 will be<br>
> calculated from the fee schedule based on the greater of their IPv4 or<br>
> IPv6 allocation."<br>
><br>
> This only affects ISPs whose IPv4 allocations are in the X-small or<br>
> XX-small range *and* who have a /32 allocation. ISPs and end sites with<br>
> allocations/assignments in the small or greater category will still pay<br>
> the greater of their IPv4/IPv6 allocation-category fee.<br>
><br>
> It's revenue-neutral with respect to the pending fee schedule, combined<br>
> with proposal 2013-3 because that proposal calls for the reservation of<br>
> the /32 for that ISP anyway. I believe this tweak still allows for a<br>
> sustainable revenue model for ARIN until such a time as ARIN ceases to<br>
> provide IPv4 services, at which point the fee schedule will likely need<br>
> to be revisited anyway.<br>
><br>
> I am interested in this community's thought on this tweak. I realize<br>
> the fee schedule is always a contentious issue, and I am reluctant to<br>
> get into a general discussion of fees (for more general discussions,<br>
> please create a separate thread). However, I would like to know if<br>
> there are specific issues or incentive problems with what I am proposing.<br>
><br>
> Note also that I have no stake in this issue; this fee tweak would not<br>
> impact myself nor my current or previous employers.<br>
><br>
> Michael Sinatra<br>
> Energy Sciences Network<br>
> LBNL/DOE Office of Science<br>
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