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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So how do we make it "The end of the
Freakin' IPv4 World" so people will actually do this already.<br>
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I talk to access ISPs about it all the time, and the usual
response is "well, we're working on it, but it's years away. It
isn't really a priority right now." I think if we set a deadline,
like "World Turn off IPv4 day", then we will actually see some
traction.<br>
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-Tim<br>
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On 13-02-27 10:52 AM, Adrian Goins wrote:<br>
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<base href="x-msg://2200/">I was sucked into the Cogent/HE
problems during World IPv6 day v1 and v2. It ultimately affected
one of my clients deciding to keep IPv6 up for their
infrastructure - they saw that split in reachability as bad for
their customers, since customers using HE as a tunnel broker would
think that the client was the problem, not peering. For most
users of the Internet discussions about peering have no value.
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<div>I agree with the statement about multihoming being the
solution. If you can't afford to multihome, see about getting
your connectivity from a provider who _is_ multihomed. It puts
you a couple hops away from the backbone, but it may be worth it
to route around this issue. You might even be able to find
someone in your datacenter who can throw a cross-connect to your
cage and push you out to L3 or ATT or someone other than Cogent.</div>
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<div>We're up with IPv6 transit from Cogent and L3, using our own
/32. I have the opportunity to get transit directly from HE,
and I'm considering doing so as well. I think that the whole
squabble is bad for the Internet and terrible for IPv6 adoption
as a whole, but it's almost worth it for me to pay for the extra
handoff to not be drawn into it any more than I have to be. </div>
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<div>What I'm waiting for is IPv6 to the real end users. If TWC
or Comcast or Vz would reliably roll out IPv6 across their
customer networks, it would make life much easier. One of our
providers at our EU office was kind enough to enable IPv6 on our
wireless link, but when I asked them about giving me a /64 or
/48, they were stupefied. It hadn't occurred to them that we
actually need to have an IP block in order to make use of it. </div>
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<div>I think we're still a long way off from where we should be
for awareness and adoption, and, like most things business
humans do, until it's actually the end of the freakin' IPv4
world, no one is going to make a move.</div>
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<div>On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Kerry L. Kriegel <<a
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href="mailto:kkriegel@cyberlynk.net">kkriegel@cyberlynk.net</a>>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We only broadcast
our data center /32. Cogent is the only provider
we have doing IPv6 at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">AT&T says they
do it, but getting it implemented across our peering
link has been in process for several months.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">TWTC has the
request, and may be online within the week.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">TWC -- no way.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Cogent – online.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Level3 – online in
about 45 days.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thank you,</span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span
style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif;
color: red; ">Kerry L. Kriegel</span></b><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Network
Operations Engineer</span><span style="color:
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Cyberlynk
Network, Inc.</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Office:
414-858-9335</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Fax:
414-858-9336</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael
Wallace [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:michael@">mailto:michael@</a><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://birdhosting.com">birdhosting.com</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
February 22, 2013 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kerry
L. Kriegel; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>re:
[arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; ">There are plenty of providers out
there that do IPv6. We are currently terminating to
a bunch of them. Abovenet, Level3, HE, etc etc.
Are you broadcasting the BGP for these?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; ">Michael Wallace<br>
Bird Hosting<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><strong><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">From</span></strong><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">: "Kerry L. Kriegel" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kkriegel@cyberlynk.net" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline; ">kkriegel@cyberlynk.net</a>><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">Sent</span></strong>: Friday,
February 22, 2013 8:48 AM<br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">To</span></strong>:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline; ">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; ">Subject</span></strong>:
[arin-discuss] Implementing IPv6</span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">We received our
/32 IPv6 block from ARIN awhile back but before we
could do anything with it we needed to do some
hardware / IOS upgrades on our backbone. We got
enough of that finished last week that we decided to
“roll out” IPv6 and see how things looked.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">After a couple
days of trouble shooting why none of the engineers in
our data center could reach their Hurricane Electric
Tunnel networks at home (and vice versa), I stopped
looking at our backbone and started looking at Google.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">It appears that
the squabble started in 2009 between Cogent and HE is
still in progress. I was wondering if anyone on this
list had any “inside” information about the problem
and whether or not there was an end in sight. It
seems to me that having a disconnect between two major
players is going to hinder IPv6 adaptation.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif; ">Thank
you,</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><strong><span
style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif;
color: red; ">Kerry L. Kriegel</span></strong><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; ">Network Operations
Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; ">Cyberlynk Network, Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; ">Office: 414-858-9335</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span
style="font-size: 10pt; ">Fax: 414-858-9336</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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