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<br>I am in agreement with John's premise, but as it relates to corporate customers. If you can make corporate customers care, then Service Providers WILL care and they will care A LOT. I believe the path to make the corporate customers care is via mobile devices. <br><br>I see many of my colleagues are of the mind that the consumer will drive this. Perhaps they are correct. Perhaps the mobile device approach will drive both consumer and corporate initiatives and break the log jam. It seems as though most agree that customers (be they corporate or consumer) are the key to a break-through. No?<br><br>Great conversation folks and I appreciate the healthy dialogue and the varying points of view.<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Babak <br><br><font style="font-size: 10pt" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">--<br>Babak Pasdar | </font> <font style="font-size: 8pt" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">President & CEO | <i>Certified Ethical Hacker</i> </font> <font style="font-size: 10pt" face="Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"> | Bat Blue Networks<br>(p) 212.461.3322 x3005 | (w) <a href="http://batblue.com/">BatBlue.com</a> | (t) <a href="https://twitter.com/bpasdar">@bpasdar</a> : <a href="https://twitter.com/batblue">@batblue</a><br><br><b>Learn About Cloud Security:</b> <a href="http://www.batblue.com/page.php?96">Cloud Security Video</a> | <a href="http://www.batblue.com/page.php?97">Cloud Network Video</a> <br><br><a href="http://www.batblue.com/page.php?72">Bat Blue is The Official Provider for ESPN X Games</a></font><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; margin-right: 0px"><hr><b>From:</b> John Brown [mailto:john@citylinkfiber.com]<br><b>To:</b> Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com], Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com]<br><b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net]<br><b>Sent:</b> Mon, 14 May 2012 18:30:20 -0400<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Encouraging IPv6 Transition (From PPML)<br><br>Hi folks,<br>
<br>
IPv6 uptake is about end-users having a reason to care.<br>
When they care, then the $ervice providers care.<br>
<br>
I suspect that when the 3.141 /8's are gone from ARIN, then people will<br>
really care and FAST.<br>
<br>
I still have service providers that tell me they don't have IPv6 available<br>
today. National transit providers aren't fully supporting it yet.<br>
<br>
We have to find something(s) that will get the end user to give a darn and<br>
WANT IT.<br>
<br>
On 5/14/12 4:23 PM, "Chris Grundemann" <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I would oppose this unless you're also willing to waive IPv6 assignment<br>
>>fees that do not accompany an IPv4 resource application. I see no<br>
>>benefit to the community from requiring people to consume extra IPv4<br>
>>just to get a free IPv6 assignment. (Well, actually, I do see a small<br>
>>benefit in exhausting IPv4 and getting on with transition faster, but, I<br>
>>don't think it's necessarily good stewardship).<br>
><br>
>You're right Owen, I was over-simplifying. My fear is that a total fee<br>
>waiver may hurt ARIN financially. Even free initial-assignments may<br>
>cause harm.<br>
><br>
>I don't have ARINs budget at my fingertips, perhaps a staffer can let<br>
>us know how much it might cost to make initial IPv6 assignments (to<br>
>end-users) free for a year and then half price for a year.<br>
><br>
>That would do two things: First, it lowers a potential barrier, pure<br>
>cost of assignment. Second, it puts a touch of urgency on initial IPv6<br>
>requests: "Hey boss, we have to at least get our assignment this year<br>
>if we don't want to be forced to pay later..."<br>
><br>
>~Chris<br>
><br>
>> Owen<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>><br>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> IMO 1A and 2A might usefully go together as a carrot + stick approach.<br>
>>>A little extra attestation work in exchange for a "get v6 free with<br>
>>>your v4" offer should encourage v6 adoption without increasing the<br>
>>>overall time+cost burden on the orgs applying for space.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Scott<br>
>>><br>
>>> On May 14, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Chris Grundemann <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Four ideas to promote IPv6 deployment, for your consideration and<br>
>>>>discussion:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1) Make it as easy as possible for an org who actually wants IPv6 to<br>
>>>> get it. This is mostly in place today (allocation fee waivers, one<br>
>>>> maint. fee per Org ID, ease of qualification, etc.) but there is still<br>
>>>> some possible room for improvement:<br>
>>>> 1A) Waive IPv6 assignment fees for end-users who request both IPv4<br>
>>>> and IPv6 simultaneously.<br>
>>>> 1B) Move the </40 small/x-small threshold to <=/48.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2) Provide additional motivation for orgs to request and deploy IPv6.<br>
>>>> There are several top of mind methods to accomplish this:<br>
>>>> 2A) Require the officer attestation to acknowledge the current<br>
>>>> state of affairs regarding IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 requirements.<br>
>>>> 2B) Continue or even ramp up (especially targeting end users) ARINs<br>
>>>> outreach efforts (which have been substantial in previous years but<br>
>>>> are being wound down post IANA-exhaustion).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> ~Chris<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> @ChrisGrundemann<br>
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