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<div><span class="yiv266375232Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"></span>To most organizations there is no impact (technical or financial) to v4 depletion. I think that also applies to State's and municipalities. Evangelizing to them will have very little impact aside
from adding an IPv6 address to their source NAT. The organizations in which it does impact are service providers and carriers who rely on address space to light new customers and services.<br><br></div>
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<div><span class="yiv266375232Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;"></span>To my knowledge AT&T hasn't lit a single residence or phone with IPv6. <br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div class="yui_3_2_0_23_1336995986234135" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_23_1336995986234137" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id="yiv266375232"><div><div><div><div><div><span>Uh, y'all are aware of this, right?</span></div>
<div><span>http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=2</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>You've seen this, right? http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics/</span></div>
<br><br>Just checking to make sure we're talking about the same thing.<br><br>Lee<br><br><br>-- </div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id="yiv266375232"><div><div><div><div><div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span><Chu>, "Yi [NTK]" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Yi.Chu@sprint.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Yi.Chu@sprint.com">Yi.Chu@sprint.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span>Monday, May 14, 2012 2:06 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span>John Brown <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@citylinkfiber.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:john@citylinkfiber.com">john@citylinkfiber.com</a>>, Jesse Geddis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jesse@la-broadband.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jesse@la-broadband.com">jesse@la-broadband.com</a>>, "<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com">bpasdar@batblue.com</a>>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc: </span>"<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>>, Jimmy Hess <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com">mysidia@gmail.com</a>>, William Herrin
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<div class="yiv266375232MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">If you work against economics, it is going to be very hard if not impossible, no matter how much outreach efforts ARIN or anyone else cares to invest.
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<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:owner-arin@sprint.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:owner-arin@sprint.net">owner-arin@sprint.net</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:owner-arin@sprint.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:owner-arin@sprint.net">mailto:owner-arin@sprint.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Brown<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 14, 2012 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jesse D. Geddis; <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com">bpasdar@batblue.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>; Jimmy Hess; William Herrin; Bill Darte<br>
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<div class="yiv266375232MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I'd like to see more outreach. City, County, State gov entities need to adopt IPv6.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv266375232MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">ARIN should put a program together to touch every single state in the union. Have a State specific IPv6 day, co-hosted / sponsored by the university and
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<b>Date: </b>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:46:51 +0000<br>
<b>To: </b>"<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com">bpasdar@batblue.com</a>>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com">bpasdar@batblue.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>>, Jimmy Hess <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com">mysidia@gmail.com</a>>, William Herrin <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>>,
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<div class="yiv266375232MsoNormal"><span class="yiv266375232apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">1. That only impacts consumers an would have no pact on organisations like banks, hospitals, or other general IT organisations.
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On May 14, 2012, at 11:18 AM, "Babak Pasdar" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bpasdar@batblue.com">bpasdar@batblue.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv266375232MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Brilliant Bill -- Simply Brilliant! Anyone at Google biting?<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Chris Grundemann [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>], ARIN Discussion List [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net</a>], Jimmy Hess [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mysidia@gmail.com">mailto:mysidia@gmail.com</a>],
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<b>Sent:</b> Mon, 14 May 2012 14:13:06 -0400<br>
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What we need is a v6-only YouTube or other content segregation that allows those with v6 to get a larger view of the worlds resources in some empathic way.<br>
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This is an important topic and I find your latter points to be especially on target. Whenever I raise the IPv6 issue to my customers I get the same feedback: "Yeah - Yeah, we've have been hearing this for years."
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I believe that it is important for ARIN to develop more of an end-user campaign and in the effort to spell out the impact of lethargy and the failure to adapt. ARIN needs not just to educate, but build momentum with strategic outreach so that IPv6 takes its
place on the CIO mandate list. This point is critical and I believe should be the center-piece of ARIN's efforts. Bring on-board more strategic CIO evangelists and have them drive more high-profile IPv6 projects and others will follow.
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Right now there is little to no IPv6 momentum in the US and thereby little to no CIO mandates for IPv6 projects which means lackluster industry engagement.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
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Babak <br>
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Four ideas to promote IPv6 deployment, for your consideration and discussion:<br>
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1) Make it as easy as possible for an org who actually wants IPv6 to<br>
get it. This is mostly in place today (allocation fee waivers, one<br>
maint. fee per Org ID, ease of qualification, etc.) but there is still<br>
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1A) Waive IPv6 assignment fees for end-users who request both IPv4<br>
and IPv6 simultaneously.<br>
1B) Move the </40 small/x-small threshold to <=/48.<br>
<br>
2) Provide additional motivation for orgs to request and deploy IPv6.<br>
There are several top of mind methods to accomplish this:<br>
2A) Require the officer attestation to acknowledge the current<br>
state of affairs regarding IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 requirements.<br>
2B) Continue or even ramp up (especially targeting end users) ARINs<br>
outreach efforts (which have been substantial in previous years but<br>
are being wound down post IANA-exhaustion).<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
~Chris<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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