On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Robert E. Seastrom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rs@seastrom.com" target="_blank">rs@seastrom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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John B <<a href="mailto:johnb@infinitie.net">johnb@infinitie.net</a>> writes:<br>
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> That is definitely an interesting circumstance that I haven't come across yet.<br>
> Wouldn't it be pretty simple for them to get ARIN to update their poc<br>
> in the database for the IP space<br>
> so you could proceed?<br>
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> John Brancela<br>
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</div>Actually, that depends on some nuances of the situation.<br>
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If they're the same organization they've always been (incorporation /<br>
state registration not lapsed, continuously in business, etc) yes it's<br>
pretty straightforward.<br>
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If there's been some M&A activity, getting ARIN to update the<br>
information is by not difficult, but getting together copies of all<br>
the corporate documentation they require in order to substantiate the<br>
claim can be a big pain, particularly when there's been more than one<br>
acquisition in succession.<br>
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If this is an attempt to do something that is not quite on the<br>
up-and-up, getting the corporate documentation will of course be<br>
impossible, and generating a bogus documentation trail is probably<br>
some combination of conspiracy and fraud depending on how many people<br>
are in on it and what they do. ARIN staff is pretty good at<br>
determining the veracity of paper trails with which they're presented<br>
and figuring out when things look hinky. Under those circumstances,<br>
getting ARIN to update the POC will of course be impossible.<br>
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-r<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agree with everything RS said, but also worth noting that the discussion of "updating the POC" is somewhat inaccurate. Updating a POC is less important (from a resource verification perspective) than is updating the ORG itself. After all, the POC merely represents who can interact with ARIN (or as a designated point-of-contact for the Internet) for a given resource. The ORG represents the entity who is actually issued the resource and authorized to use it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-MJ</div></div>