Despite the complexity, I think they still make sense. We will eventually see a dramatic decrease in IPv4 allocations (granted, a decade or more out), and with that, a drop off of the IPv4 ISP annual revenue. That will leave only the IPv6 allocations (assignments will be less frequent) as a significant revenue stream.<div>
<br></div><div>So if we went with a one-size-fits-all model for IPv6 ISP fees, the smaller ISPs would end up having to pay quite a bit more, I think. It would be interesting to see how the numbers would work out for that. Were we do adopt such a policy today, it means that the single IPv6 annual fee would probably be higher than the lower levels of the IPv4 fees, resulting in a fee increase to any network adopting IPv6.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-MJ<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, <a href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@daydream.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:packetgrrl@gmail.com">packetgrrl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">How do you feel about the size categories all together? Do you think they still make sense in IPv6? <div><br></div>
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Thanks !<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Brian Jankovich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjankovich@vaultnetworks.com" target="_blank">bjankovich@vaultnetworks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I agree with the proposed pricing mode. Being that the /32 is the smallest a provider can get, it should be in the X-small category.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Brian Jankovich</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:cja@daydream.com" target="_blank">cja@daydream.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:packetgrrl@gmail.com" target="_blank">packetgrrl@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 18, 2011 3:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [arin-discuss] Size Categories for IPv6.</span></p><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">There was a recent policy proposal (138) to try to change the size categories for IPv6 allocations. It was abandoned by the AC because it is a pricing matter but I wanted to start up a discussion here to perhaps give ARIN guidance as to how the community feels about changing the sizes. </p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Currently the IPv6 size categories are</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" summary="IPv6 Initial Allocation and IPv6 Assignment Fee Summary" width="599" style="width:449.25pt;border-collapse:collapse;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<tbody><tr><td valign="bottom" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#999999;padding:3.75pt 7.5pt 3.75pt 7.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:white">Size Category</span></b></p></td><td width="150" valign="bottom" style="width:112.5pt;border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-left:none;background:#999999;padding:3.75pt 7.5pt 3.75pt 7.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:white">Fee (US Dollars)</span></b></p></td><td valign="bottom" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-left:none;background:#999999;padding:3.75pt 7.5pt 3.75pt 7.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:white">Block Size</span></b></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">X-small</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$1,250</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">smaller than /40</span></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">Small</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$2,250</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">/40 to /32</span></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">Medium</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$4,500</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">/31 to /30</span></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">Large</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$9,000</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">/29 to /27</span></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:white;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">X-large</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:white;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$18,000</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:white;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">/26 to /22</span></p></td></tr><tr style="border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><td valign="top" style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">XX-large</span></p></td><td width="150" valign="top" style="width:112.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">$36,000</span></p></td><td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;background:#EDEDED;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;background-repeat:initial initial">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black">/22 and larger</span></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3" style="background:#999999;padding:3.75pt 7.5pt 3.75pt 7.5pt"><div style="border:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt 8.0pt;background:#D4EFFD">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D4EFFD;vertical-align:baseline;border:none;padding:0in"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;text-transform:uppercase">IPv6 Annual FeeS (NOTE: FEE WAIVERS IN EFFECT)</span></b></p></div>
</td></tr></tbody></table><div><div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>The proposal was to change them as follows</span></span></p></div></div></div><div><div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.0pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><br><br><span></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X-small /32 or smaller</span></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Small /31 to /30</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Medium /29 to /27</span></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Large /26 to /24</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X-large /23 to /20</span></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">XX-large /20 and larger</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Thanks!</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">----Cathy</span></span></p>
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