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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tomato, tomato. Sorry I used the wrong terminology. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brian Johnson
[mailto:bjohnson@drtel.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathaniel B. Lyon; Aaron Wendel; Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver
forIPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t know how many times this has been said, but I am getting
concerned about the concept of “ownership” relative to address space. YOU DO
NOT PURCHASE SPACE. The fees paid are to pay for the maintenance of the space
you are being allocated for use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For details on fees, please read the fee schedule (<a
href="https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html">https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html</a>)
at the ARIN website. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>- Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nathaniel B. Lyon
[mailto:nate.lyon@nfldwifi.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Johnson; Aaron Wendel; Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver
forIPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am chiming in very late, so maybe this has already been
addressed. So what are the plans for the guys who have already
purchased IPv6 assignments from ARIN? I guess what are going to be
getting out of this asides from a possibly quicker IPv6 roll-out across the
board?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My apologies, I have not been following this string as close as
I should be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Brian Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aaron Wendel; Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Exactly! Everyone should be treated the same relative to IPv6
requests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>- Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Aaron Wendel
[mailto:aaron@wholesaleinternet.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Johnson; 'Owen DeLong'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would be all for ARIN extending the current fee waivers to
encompass both legacy space holders who sign an LRSA for their old space and an
RSA for the new space as well as end users. I just put in for some
critical infrastructure v6 space and was a little surprised when I got hit for
full freight as an end user. It’s a non starter for v6 on my little,
local, free exchange as I assume it would be for many others. Just level the
playing field so everyone pays on the same scale. That would be a start. </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Brian Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 01, 2010 8:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Here’s how I think it should go. If I’m an LRSA holder and want
IPv6 space, I would have to sign a normal RSA for the IPv6 space and pay the
fees as a regular space holder, just like any other RSA holder. I am willing to
encourage IPv6 as long as we don’t get into a battle between legacy and non
legacy holders over fees. Neither should be getting a “better deal” than the
other.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I hope this makes my position clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>- Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Owen DeLong
[mailto:owen@delong.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Johnson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for
IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Not really... They get a special rate on the initial IPv6
assignment, but, after that, they're paying the same $100/year<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>that every other end-user is paying.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The intent here is to induce them to both embrace IPv6 _AND_
start paying for their IPv4 under end-user terms<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>rather than keep their legacy status and exclusion from the
ARIN community and policies altogether so long<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>as they can avoid dealing with IPv6.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As I see it, the alternative is that we have yet another
group of users with an additional incentive to push back<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>against IPv6 which I regard as harmful to the internet in
general.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Owen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would still be opposed under the idea that they would deserve
special rates. This would perpetuate the idea of multiple classes of members /
space holders that I would like to see diminished if not eliminated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>- Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Owen DeLong
[mailto:owen@delong.com]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, February
27, 2010 5:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Brian Johnson<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re:
[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6assignments to
LRSA signatories</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Brian,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>The IPv6 space under this suggestion
would be subject to regular RSA, not LRSA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Only the legacy space would be covered by the LRSA.
With that clarification, do you<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>still oppose the suggestion? (I'll note that the suggestion
relates to reducing fees, ARIN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>policy already provides for them to get the space on these
terms).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Brian Johnson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I oppose this proposal as it maintains the current divide
between legacy space and “regular” space. If a legacy holder wants IPv6 space, they
would need to sign a regular RSA and join the rest of us.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>- Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, February
02, 2010 10:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
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<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[arin-discuss]
Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending
that the BoT waive initial<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy
resource holder that has signed<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>the LRSA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry
for legacy IPv4 holders to migrate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the
Board's finance committee<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>agenda. As such, I would like to encourage members
here who have an opinion on the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by
posting a message to this list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original
suggestion I submitted:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span><span
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<span class=apple-style-span>This is in response to your suggestion noted below
and assigned number 2010.1.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging
no initial fee related to request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or
assignments for Legacy Holders that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration
Service Agreement. As this relates to fees, this will be added to the
ARIN Board's Finance Committee agenda for 2010.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>Some other information related to this suggestion
is that the current IPv6 waiver for allocations for initial requests and
renewals in 2010 is a 50% fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees
will be 25% waived. </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not
waived. Clients requesting assignment resources pay an initial fee per
request of address space and thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance
fees related to the Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the
effort related to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees
are designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for
organizations with both ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an
Annual Fee based on the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy
resource maintenance fee.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help
it better serve the community and we want to commend you for your continuing
activism and service.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>Regards,</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>Member Services</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>2010.1</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>01-18-2010 16:58:30</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the
LRSA the opportunity to receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment
for no initial fee. The applicable standard renewal fees would apply
thereafter.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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