<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Brian,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The IPv6 space under this suggestion would be subject to regular RSA, not LRSA.</div><div>Only the legacy space would be covered by the LRSA. With that clarification, do you</div><div>still oppose the suggestion? (I'll note that the suggestion relates to reducing fees, ARIN</div><div>policy already provides for them to get the space on these terms).</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Brian Johnson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I oppose this proposal as it maintains the current divide between legacy space and “regular” space. If a legacy holder wants IPv6 space, they would need to sign a regular RSA and join the rest of us.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Consolas; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">- Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; "><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:39 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6assignments to LRSA signatories<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the BoT waive initial<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder that has signed<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">the LRSA.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy IPv4 holders to migrate<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's finance committee<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">agenda. As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an opinion on the<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a message to this list.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Owen<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I submitted:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Owen,</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "><br><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number 2010.1.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee related to request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for Legacy Holders that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service Agreement. As this relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN Board's Finance Committee agenda for 2010.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current IPv6 waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is a 50% fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25% waived. </span><br><span class="apple-style-span">In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived. Clients requesting assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of address space and thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees related to the Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the effort related to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees are designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based on the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy resource maintenance fee.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and service.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Regards,</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Member Services</span><br><span class="apple-style-span">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">*********************************************</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">2010.1</span><br><span class="apple-style-span">01-18-2010 16:58:30</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee. The applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.</span><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>