<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Owen DeLong said:<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><br>> OK, now that we have all of that clear, the suggestion in <br>> question is for entities which have a legacy assignment <br>> (end-users) and sign the LRSA, the initial fee ($1250 for <br>> a /48, most likely) is waived. They would continue paying <br>> $100/year for their IPv4 legacy and IPv6 RSA resources</div><div>> as well as any ASN resources or other RSA resources they <br>> may also have.</div><div><br>Is there a distinction between end-users and ISPs in legacy <br>address assignments/allocations?<br><br>I don't know how it might affect opinion on this suggestion,
<br>but I would like to point out that the Legacy Registration<br>Services Agreement (LRSA), which defines certain rights for <br>signers, will not be available after June 30, 2010.<br><span><a target="_blank" href="https://www.arin.net/announcements/2010/20100115.html">https://www.arin.net/announcements/2010/20100115.html</a></span><br>If this suggestion were adopted, there would be a limited time<br>for organizations to sign the LRSA, though early signers would<br>still be eligible.<br><br></div><div>> In contrast, there has, for several years, been a fee reduction <br>> in place for IPv6 for ISP/LIR organizations which this year is <br>> down to a 50% reduction and IIRC drops to 25% next year.</div><div><br><span>Yes, you're right: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html#waivers">https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html#waivers</a></span><br>Note that organizations issued (or transferred) both IPv4 and
IPv6 <br>allocations by
ARIN under a single Org ID pay the larger of the <br>two annual renewal
fees.</div><br>Lee<br><br><br><div><div><div>On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Okay, so if I have a legacy assignment and sign an LRSA, then get more IPs and sign an RSA for those I still only pay the $100 a year for everything or do I pay ARIN’s regular fees since I now have an RSA for my new
allocation?</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott Leibrand<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">However, the ongoing maintenance fees for assignments are $100/year which you are already</div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">paying if you signed the LRSA, so, there is actually no additional ongoing cost, either.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Owen</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><br><br></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">If you have a legacy allocation and need additional number resources from ARIN, you have to sign a regular RSA to get them. The LRSA only covers the legacy resources themselves. So the IPv6 resources this fee waiver suggestion would apply to would be covered by the RSA. It would not be an ongoing distinction, though, as it would only waive the initial assignment fee, not ongoing maintenance fees.<br><br>-Scott<br><br>On 2/4/2010 11:09 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have a question on this.</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If I have a legacy allocation do I not have to sign a regular RSA to get resources from ARIN? Do we have 2 classes of IP holders getting services here?</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Aaron</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Keith W. Hare<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I support Owen’s suggestion that IPv6 initial assignment fees be waived for legacy resource holders who have signed the LRSA.</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Keith Hare</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">192.84.218.0/24</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">______________________________________________________________</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Keith W. Hare JCC Consulting, Inc.</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:keith@jcc.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:keith@jcc.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">keith@jcc.com</a> 600 Newark Road</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Phone: 740-587-0157 P.O. Box 381</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fax: 740-587-0163 Granville, Ohio 43023</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.jcc.com/">http://www.jcc.com/</a> USA</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">______________________________________________________________</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:39 PM<br><b>To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the BoT waive initial</div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder that has signed</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">the LRSA.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy IPv4 holders to migrate</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's finance committee</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">agenda.
As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an opinion on the</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a message to this list.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Owen</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman',serif;">Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I submitted:</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New';">Owen,</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New';"><br><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number 2010.1.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee related to request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for Legacy Holders that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service Agreement. As this relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN Board's Finance Committee agenda for
2010.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current IPv6 waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is a 50% fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25% waived. </span><br><span class="apple-style-span">In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived. Clients requesting assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of address space and thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees related to the Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the effort related to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees are designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based on the ARIN-issued
resources and not charged the Legacy resource maintenance fee.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and service.</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Regards,</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">Member Services</span><br><span class="apple-style-span">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">*********************************************</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">2010.1</span><br><span class="apple-style-span">01-18-2010 16:58:30</span><br><br><span class="apple-style-span">ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee. The applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.</span></span></p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in;
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