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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes Chris, it is better that you refrain from whining about
bandwidth usage (personal or otherwise) on a public forum when the obvious and
simple solution to your problem is to simply unsubscribe. Save the rest
of us from your horrific plight…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Webpage? No need for one as we have clearly demonstrated
for the past several years. <grin><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>/19 allocation? You need to do some more homework.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Fat Pipe? Is that your router or did you settle on the
DLink?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Whiny posts like yours deserve to be flamed. The whiny ones
like yourself are always first to say they never “stoop” to reply
when in fact they are always the first to hit the send button. Your
problem, issue or dilemma is simply and easily resolved without a public
announcement to the rest of us. Handle it Chris. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Brad Belton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>BelWave Communications<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>O: 817-737-3124 #101<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>F: 817-336-7031<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chris Gettings
[mailto:chris.gettings@videonext.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brad Belton; Paul Vixie; arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Henry Valentino<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>No Brad, I want to listen to the legitimate
dialog on the business of ARIN. I am entitled to that. I have had my modest
allocation since 1994. But the guy who keeps complaining about the ARIN
management should just sue if he has been harmed -- instead of burying the
relevant messages for the whole group amongst his b.s. This deprives everyone
of the use of the group. <br>
<br>
I can’t believe I even bothered to reply to the flame I almost never do
and I apologize. I’m stooping to the level of those characters I am
complaining about. And FYI the the high cost is to my “personal
bandwidth” to look at the damned messages, not internet bandwidth.
I have a fat pipe and plenty of bandwidth for genuine traffic. But
this topic is like spam and is not producing any legitimate traffic for
the list and I finally snapped. How long have we ARIN list users been
subjected to these messages while reading the list in hopes of relevant
information? <br>
<br>
Brad is your page at www.belwave.com not compatible with Firefox or Safari?
None of the links for “services” or “support” or
“references” or “contact us” work. But maybe I
have to use Internet Explorer only? <br>
I see you have a /19 CIDR, same as me. How much bandwidth do you have?
I see the “Network Status” section of your page at
www.belwave.com but the source of the page is just static HTML and the green
lights that show Belwave.com “Network Status” are just permanently
green icons “/greenlight.gif” which are not really connected to any
network reporting that I can see. <br>
<br>
I have posted the source of your page below where you are “reporting the
status” of your North and South Fiber Routes. (I was able to find
this with the “view source” command in my browsers when nothing I
clicked on went anywhere. I was amazed that my browser could do this, but it is
cool software.)<br>
<br>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="1" width="99%" id="table40"><br>
<tr><br>
<br>
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width="33" align="center"><br>
<img
border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25"
height="25"></td><br>
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align="left"><br>
<p
align="center"><br>
<font
size="1"><br>
North
<br>
Fiber
<br>
Route</font></td><br>
</tr><br>
<tr><br>
<br>
<td
width="33" align="center"><br>
<img
border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25"
height="25"></td><br>
<td
align="left"><br>
<p
align="center"><br>
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size="1"><br>
South
<br>
Fiber
<br>
Route</font></td><br>
</tr><br>
<tr><br>
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I think the problem is that “greenlight.gif” has to actually
connect to something or it just sits there green all the time no matter what
the www.belwave.com network is connected to. It seems that people who went
there thinking they could check the status of belwave.com are led to believe
the status is just fine, all green — when actually the greenlight.gif
means nothing at all. That seems disingenuous to me or maybe I just
don’t understand how the html stuff works.<br>
<br>
I hate to put such a fine point on it for you Brad but those guys really should
take their dispute elsewhere and I am right to complain about it. Thanks, and
now I am sorry that everyone on the list had to listen to me rant, too. I
feel better though, just not productive.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
<br>
Christopher Gettings<br>
Chairman<br>
VideoNEXT<br>
703.489.6781 (mobile)<br>
703.657.1204 (direct)<br>
703-378-7892 (fax)<br>
www.videoNext.com<br>
888.876.SAFE (24x7 Support)<br>
chris.gettings@videonext.com<br>
-- <br>
<br>
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On 1/2/08 11:51 PM, "Brad Belton" <brad@belwave.com> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Chris,<br>
<br>
With all due respect (if deserving) I suggest you unsubscribe if the few emails
generated by this discussion group is taxing your available bandwidth.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Brad Belton<br>
BelWave Communications<br>
O: 817-737-3124 #101<br>
F: 817-336-7031<br>
<br>
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</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [<a href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Gettings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Vixie; arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Henry Valentino<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations<br>
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I think you folks have lost it. You should just be suing each other.
And if there was some grounds (and you were real, mature business people)
your lawyers you would never let you communicate this way anyway. Your
incessant messages are not directed to the purported purpose of this list.
Get another one instead. I subscribed because I simply wanted to
understand and monitor what was going on with my ARIN allocation and IP
addresses.<br>
<br>
Ah! Perhaps you are trying to drive the rest of us away as part of the
conspiracy...and what is that “answer under separate cover”
nonsense? That’s a smoking gun for sure....<br>
<br>
Clearly, you are ridiculous nimrods for wasting so much of everyone’s
bandwidth with your drivel. You should be censored by the moderators.<br>
<br>
Chris Gettings<br>
<br>
On 1/2/08 10:58 PM, "Paul Vixie" <paul@vix.com> wrote:<br>
> > furthermore, if the employment of former MAPS employees after leaving<br>
> > MAPS ought to reflect on the founders of MAPS somehow, then shouldn't<br>
> > you also do an exhaustive search to find out where every one of them<br>
> > wound up? (and also for every other company founded by any ARIN
board<br>
> > member?) (or any company where an ARIN board member was an
executive?)<br>
><br>
> As the managing director of MAPS, you were responsible for training and<br>
> indoctrinating these people.<br>
<br>
there were no indoctrinations. my biggest responsibility was setting
policy<br>
and my second biggest was making payroll happen. while i hold
responsibility<br>
for everything done by a MAPS employee, i don't have any control (nor would i<br>
want it) of what folks do after they leave my employ. perhaps MAPS was
not<br>
the kind of company you thought it was, or perhaps the world is not the kind<br>
of place you thought it was.<br>
<br>
> It wasn't just one bad apple; It was two.<br>
<br>
for all i know, scott richter hired peter and kelly with the challenge of<br>
"please help me run a more responsible organization". i have no
knowledge,<br>
but it sounds like you don't either, so maybe you should ask peter and kelly?<br>
<br>
> Did you profit from Whitehat.com?<br>
<br>
i'll answer that under separate cover.<br>
<br>
> > i find the quality of the investigations so far deplorably low.<br>
><br>
> So far, I must agree. It is quite difficult to investigate while
stonewalled<br>
> by Management and the Board. The investigations would be greatly
helped if<br>
> ARIN would respond to the questions that have been asked. Most of
the<br>
> information so far has been gleaned from outside of ARIN.<br>
<br>
while i don't mind answering questions sent to arin-discuss@ if it'll help<br>
the membership determine the character of their trustees, i think that if you<br>
want an answer from "the board" or "management" you should
direct your<br>
inquiries to them by certified letter, perhaps even working through your<br>
attorney who might decide to work through ARIN's attorney.<br>
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