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<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Terri,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2> ARIN is
rather constrained from quite a number of technical arenas. It's not in
it's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>charter to interfere
with routing on the backbone which is where most of the pure</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>tech is. The
biggest thing that ARIN does - assignment of IP addresses - is
not</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>as much of
a technical function as it is a business/administrative/political function
that is</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>being driven by the
technologists on NANOG and in IETF and what they want on</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>the
Internet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2> With that
said, one of the best ways to get rid of a stinky thread on a
mailing</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>list is to replace
it with a more interesting one. You said your new to the list,
are</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>you new to
ARIN? Are there any questions you have as to it's operation
that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>might be good topics
for discussion here?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=959570302-10112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=959570302-10112007> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Terri Kelley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 09, 2007 4:36
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ARIN-discuss@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-discuss]
Legacy RSA<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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second what Steve has said here.
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<DIV>I am also new to the list and I am a tech guy not a politician and have
no desire</DIV>
<DIV>to be one. This one discussion if you will has come close to creating a
arin spam</DIV>
<DIV>folder or just removing myself.</DIV>
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<DIV>There is probably a need for this type of thing but like Steve, I think a
"politics" </DIV>
<DIV>list would be very appropriate. I would still like to see the arin info
that is sent</DIV>
<DIV>out here but if it involves politics then anyone wanting to respond
should go to</DIV>
<DIV>the politics discussion to debate it out. So both groups would be served
and </DIV>
<DIV>neither would be left out of the loop.</DIV>
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<DIV>Terri Kelley</DIV>
<DIV>Farm to Market Broadband</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 9, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I can understand why so many people want to leave
the list. I am a</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">newcomer, attempting to become somewhat of a good
'net citizen in</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">regards to appropriate use of my resources, and to
generally gain</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">knowledge so I can be a respectable piece of the
Internet's next generation.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I'm thankful that I'm an operator and not a
politician. The only time</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I've ever known anyone to have so much time to dig
up dirt on others is</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">in politics. What a waste of production time.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">As it has already been pointed out, Section 9.2 of
the Member Mailing</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">List AUP is here:</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A
href="http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#nine2">http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#nine2</A></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">If anything, for sanity sakes, at least propose a
solution to what you</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">think is wrong instead of a blanket 'get rid of the
board and the AC'</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">with a boat load of crap to go with it.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Whether someone is a criminal, has been accused of
being a criminal or</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">was a criminal, if they can adequately suit the
needs of the people they</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">are serving, why judge them on that. Cast the first
stone.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">It is claimed that ARIN is wasting money because
there is no benefit to</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">the community they serve (WRT spending on travel
for trade shows).</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">However, there has been no documentation to the
contrary that states</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">their spending on attendance to these trade shows
has had a negative</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">impact either.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">My .02. I don't care anymore. I thought that
monitoring these lists</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">would actually provide some benefit to myself, the
organization that I</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">work for and most importantly the continuance of
decent policy into the</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">future.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">On a side, but related note, if IP related policy
is ever proposed that</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">does not involve those who have at least some
operational/engineering</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">relevance, than I oppose of it right off the
hop.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I propose a policy that moves political discussion
and accusations that</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">have nothing to do with the basic fundamentals ARIN
represents to</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">something like:</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A
href="mailto:arin-politics@arin.net">arin-politics@arin.net</A></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Steve</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
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