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<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill and
All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The majority of
these remove requests are coming from anti-spam software.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>There isn't anyone
reading your responses.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's software out
there that in an attempt to reduce spam the user can</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>run and it will just
e-mail out unsubscribe requests to the sender for every</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>mail message they
get that isn't on an approved list. The idea is that
if</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>the spam is forged
criminal spam the backscatter will go to /dev/null and</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>if it's a commercial
advertising list that the advert list managers will
eventually</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>remove them if they
get enough remove replies.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The authors of such
software know that these are a great source of annoyance</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>to listserves.
But, they don't give a rat's ass about that. Their theory is
that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>any "legitimate"
e-mail listserv is an opt-in with confirmation and thus it</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>will not be possible
for one of their software customers to be subscribed </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>to a "legitimate"
list serv.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The very best thing
you can do with these unprintable people is to forward</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>their so-called
unsubscribe requests to the member services help desk at</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>ARIN with a notation
that we got another moron that is trying to unsubscribe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>without reading the
instructions, and to please do it manually for them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=445161321-09112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Bill Darte<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 09, 2007 12:22
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Brad Pittenger; arin-discuss@arin.net<BR><B>Cc:</B>
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [arin-discuss] Method for
Unsubscribing to the ARIN-Discuss maillist<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->
<P><FONT size=2>Please review the mechanism for removing oneself from the ARIN
mail lists that you no longer wish to receive mail from.<BR><BR>I ask you to
reconsider your interest in being removed. Please give this list another
chance.<BR><BR>But, if later (or now if you must) want to be removed from the
list, you must follow the instructions at:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/index.html">http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/index.html</A><BR><BR>Bill
Darte<BR>ARIN Advisory Council<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net on behalf of Brad Pittenger<BR>Sent: Fri
11/9/2007 2:17 PM<BR>To: arin-discuss@arin.net<BR>Cc:
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net<BR>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss]
REMOVE<BR><BR>Please remove.<BR><BR>brad.pittenger@xiolink.com<<A
href="mailto:brad.pittenger@xiolink.com">mailto:brad.pittenger@xiolink.com</A>><BR>public@xiolink.com<<A
href="mailto:public@xiolink.com">mailto:public@xiolink.com</A>><BR><BR><BR>From:
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [<A
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</A>]
On Behalf Of Julio Reyes<BR>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:55 PM<BR>To:
arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net; Steve Bertrand; Paul Vixie<BR>Cc:
arin-discuss@arin.net<BR>Subject: [arin-discuss] REMOVE<BR><BR><BR>Remove
please<BR><BR>__________________<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca><BR>To: "Paul Vixie"
<paul@vix.com><BR>Cc: <arin-discuss@arin.net><BR>Sent: Friday,
November 09, 2007 10:39 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Restricting postings
to one per day and three<BR>per week<BR><BR><BR>>> i still don't like
it. you'd essentially say that<BR>>> anyone who wanted to be able
to freely address<BR>>> comments to arin's membership, also had to
address<BR>>> those comments to the public. ppml is a
public<BR>>> forum. i'm talking about an open membership
forum,<BR>>> which is what arin-discuss@ currently is.<BR>><BR>>
Either that, or discussions would get extremely fragmented.<BR>><BR>> If
a member felt they *needed* to reply a message and were over their<BR>>
quota, they would likely do a reply-all and remove the -discuss
list.<BR>><BR>> This would most likely cause even more confusion and
frustration than<BR>> what is present now as nobody would be able to follow
an entire thread<BR>> in it's entirety.<BR>><BR>> I wouldn't even go
as far as to say moderation would be better, as then<BR>> you would have a
governing body who at it's sole discretion could decide<BR>> whether a
member's comment was appropriate or not.<BR>><BR>> It's up to the
members to decide whether another member's opinion is<BR>> valid and
appropriate. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, and<BR>> limiting
and/or blocking someones opinion would (IMHO) detract from the<BR>> purpose
of this list entirely.<BR>><BR>> Steve<BR>>
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