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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also agree.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Ryan Yaldor<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:purple'>PBX</span></font></b></strong><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-</span></font><b><font size=2
color="#ff9900"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#FF9900;font-weight:bold'>Change</span></font></b><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>TampaBay DSL</span></font><font size=2
color=blue><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>ph 813-243-8850 ext. 206<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>fax 813-249-8414<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><a href="http://www.PBX-Change.com"
title="http://www.pbx-change.com/
outbind://181-00000000548D919DB20FCC428CE3FDA3F3518124070013B9A9DCA6A5D445925395D0B844FF7200000000130C0000E9EAE21530811D4C9C7E857F7224B9E90000003E560C0000/www.PBX-Change.com"><font
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bold'><span title="http://www.pbx-change.com/">PBX</span></span></font></b><font
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title="http://www.pbx-change.com/">-</span></span></font><b><font size=2
color="#ff9900"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#FF9900;font-weight:bold'><span
title="http://www.pbx-change.com/">Change</span></span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><span title="http://www.pbx-change.com/">.com</span></span></font></a></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><a href="http://www.tampabaydsl.com/"
title="http://www.tampabaydsl.com/">www.TampaBayDSL.com</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Brad Belton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 05, 2007
10:45 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml]
Counsel statementon Legacy assignments?(fwd)</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I agree as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Brad Belton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>BelWave
Communications<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>O:
817-737-3124 #101<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>F:
817-336-7031<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Phillip Clark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 05, 2007
9:42 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Thomas Leonard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml]
Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree. There needs to be a fair and level playing
field. I would support any action to resolve this matter.<br>
<br>
Phillip Clark<br>
PAXIO Inc.<br>
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Thomas Leonard wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney. Why should legacy customers get a free ride. We pay significantly more for our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>allotment, so should they. If they paid a fair price, all of our prices would be reduced. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In my geographical area it's becoming critical as a local competitor has a legacy class B and can give away IP addresses as if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>they're water. I can not and they have an unfair competitive advantage. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We should all be treated the same.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thomas Leonard<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>LANline Communications, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>White Plains</span></font></st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">NY</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">10601</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>914-397-0500 <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>any strings attached'. That is an agreement with the government. So Mr. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>government and legacy holders.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And you left off the part about:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>authority to have the government obtain back that which the government <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>started to play with different theories here."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know. ARIN hasn't offered<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>any definitive opinion as you assert. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Please tell the IETF you were wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> --Dean<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <a
href="mailto:dean@av8.com"><dean@av8.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>legacy assignments"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Where is this counsel statement?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13">http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the non-profit <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>S<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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