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I agree. There needs to be a fair and level playing field. I would
support any action to resolve this matter.<br>
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Phillip Clark<br>
PAXIO Inc.<br>
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Thomas Leonard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney. Why should legacy customers get a free ride. We pay significantly more for our
allotment, so should they. If they paid a fair price, all of our prices would be reduced.
In my geographical area it's becoming critical as a local competitor has a legacy class B and can give away IP addresses as if
they're water. I can not and they have an unfair competitive advantage.
We should all be treated the same.
Thomas Leonard
LANline Communications, Inc.
48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32
White Plains, NY 10601
914-397-0500
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)
Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.
You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,
and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without
any strings attached'. That is an agreement with the government. So Mr.
Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the
government and legacy holders.
And you left off the part about:
"I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for
authority to have the government obtain back that which the government
gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've
started to play with different theories here."
So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know. ARIN hasn't offered
any definitive opinion as you assert.
Please tell the IETF you were wrong.
--Dean
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dean@av8.com"><dean@av8.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">"Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that
ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for
legacy assignments"
Where is this counsel statement?
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"MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like
here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN
is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the non-profit
trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free
services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services
to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly
permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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