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color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Clark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 05, 2007 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Leonard<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy
assignments?(fwd)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree. There needs to be a fair and level playing field. I
would support any action to resolve this matter.<br>
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Phillip Clark<br>
PAXIO Inc.<br>
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Thomas Leonard wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney. Why should legacy customers get a free ride. We pay significantly more for our<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>allotment, so should they. If they paid a fair price, all of our prices would be reduced. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>In my geographical area it's becoming critical as a local competitor has a legacy class B and can give away IP addresses as if<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>they're water. I can not and they have an unfair competitive advantage. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>We should all be treated the same.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thomas Leonard<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>LANline Communications, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>White Plains, NY 10601<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>914-397-0500 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a
href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>any strings attached'. That is an agreement with the government. So Mr. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>government and legacy holders.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>And you left off the part about:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>authority to have the government obtain back that which the government <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>started to play with different theories here."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know. ARIN hasn't offered<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>any definitive opinion as you assert. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Please tell the IETF you were wrong.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> --Dean<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <a
href="mailto:dean@av8.com"><dean@av8.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>"Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>legacy assignments"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Where is this counsel statement?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote>
<pre><a
href="http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13">http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the non-profit <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>S<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote>
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